Scott's 04 Tacoma Double Cab TRD

[expeditionswest]

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Scott got a new toy.

2004 Toyota 4x4 TRD SR5 Double Cab. Let the MODS BEGIN!


Scott Brady
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[WhiteThaiGer]

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[alanh]

Are you going to prep it for offroad/expedition travel?</div>
I've already put some money and time into various mods on my 2000 4Runner, but keep wonderingif I would be better off getting a used Tacoma and modifying that instead. So far, I've not used the extra seats in the 4Runner for any "expedition" since I've only had one passenger at most. I used to sleep in the back of my (now old and not reliable enough even if it was a good off-road candidate) Dodge pickup on climbing and hiking trips and it was nice to be able to do that; quick and pretty inconspicuous if just parked in a rest area or alongside a road somewhere.</div>


Alan

[GoodTimes]

So does this mean that the "trooper mod forum" is now obsolete?
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olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[Rockcrawler]

WhiteThaiGer said...

White Toyota http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif
My god... it's like a virus around here!

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Oh yeah... congrats on the new truck! Excellent choice.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif </div>


"Paved Roads: Another example of wasteful government spending." KD7UEH

[expeditionswest]

No change in the Trooper mod forum. This truck just replaced the Land Rover (about time). I do have a master plan for the Tacoma, and it will start getting mods shortly. This will probably be a full year project, build to the exteme end of expedition travel performance and durability. I will be using the Trooper for at least another 6-months to a year, and will keep it until the wheels fall off. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif </div>
The Tacoma is going to be engineered from the ground up, with every consideration made to vehicle dependent expedition travel to remote locations, unsupported. </div>
I will outlay a plan in the next few weeks. </div>

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

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Did someone say "mods"?

Just to re-cap a little discussion we had awhile ago...

"Oh yeah, about the budget...


Let's just run off some quick ball park figures here (considering that you will do most of the work yourself - gears and locker probably being the exception)...

$24,000 - New truck price (incl. rear locker)
$1,500 - Suspension upgrades (lift)
$800 - tires
$1,500 - gears
$650 - ARB front locker
$450 - Air Compressor &amp; accessories
$1,100 - bumpers
$350 - skid plate
$350 - rock sliders
$700 - Aux. fuel tank
$750 - fridge and mount/wiring/thermometer
$500 - dual battery setup
$1,200 - camper shell
$300 - camper improvements (self-installed)
$600 - roof rack with accessories/mounts
$250 - off-road lighting
$500 - misc. recovery equipment
$500 - misc. tools
$650 - radios (stereo, CB, VHF)
$150 - misc. wiring upgrades (self-installed)
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$36,800 (I'm sure I forgot something http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

Ok, this leaves $8,200. That means you could install a Marlin Crawler dual-case setup if you want! (They only run about $3,500 installed). Or, you could do a solid axle conversion if that strikes your fancy. Looks like you are within budget, even when you consider thelikely couple of thousand dollars of incidental items I am overlooking."

I love your choice of WHITE!!!! WOOOOHOOOOO!!!! ThE wHiTe TOYOTAS RULE!!!! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif
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[expeditionswest]

Those are all very cool ideas (again). It was pretty cool how I came to buy the Tacoma. Stephanie and I were looking at all kinds of cross over SUV's for her to drive, Vue, CRV, Element, etc. On Thursday night she came home from work and said "All of those cross-overs arent going to work for me, I think I want the Double Cab Tacoma" So first I was likehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif thenhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif and then Friday morning I http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/gottogo.gif to the dealer.</div>
After we drove it around on Friday, Stephanie said (true statement) "I think this truck sits a little low, I think we should LIFT IT" http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif </div>
Got to love her!</div>



I am not going to be doing any serious mods until summer, as I have too many trips going on right now, and they are more important. That truck is pretty well set up anyway. I will get sliders soon, and probably a shell of some sort. I do like the Can-back cover, as it can support the most weigth up top.</div>
So here are the basic mod ideas.</div>
1. Sliders (that is one LONG wheelbase)</div>
2. Shell, or Can-back, water tank, aux. battery, storage, load platform, Rhino lining</div>
3. HD rear bumper with swing out tire carrier and receiver. Wrap around sides.</div>
4. Front bumper/winch</div>
5. lift (need to research)</div>
6. tires (285/75 R 16, or 255/85 R 16) Not sure what type</div>
7. Rear rack (for extra fuel, 2nd spare, shovel/ax)</div>
8. Aux. tank</div>
9. Front tent</div>
10. Evaluate gearing and the need for a front locker (arb)</div>
11. Snorkel </div>



I am also going to seriously evaluate the Fourwheeler camper idea.</div>




Scott Brady
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[transalper]

Very nice rig! That's what I'll be looking for when my runner wears out.

Jay - 97 4Runner
www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner (http://www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner)

[expeditionswest]

What is the best rocker protection available for the Double Cab? I am looking for full length protection, that sticks out far enough to protect the door and provide a step for rack access.

Ideas?

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Yea...

www.demello-offroad.com (http://www.demello-offroad.com)

many folks here have them

www.stubbswelding.com (http://www.stubbswelding.com)

Our own Transalper runs these

Here is a cool D-cab (http://www.inspectorgadgets.com/) for you to check out (with a rear tire carrier)
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http://www.bajataco.com

[BajaTaco]

Scott Brady said...


... After we drove it around on Friday, Stephanie said (true statement) "I think this truck sits a little low, I think we should LIFT IT" http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif
Got to love her!That just makes me smile http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Hey Scott, here is arecently compiled summary (http://www.customtacos.com/tech/index.php?page=index_v2&amp;id=137&amp;c=10) of lift options for the Taco. You mentioned running 3" of lift withsome tall tires (nominal 33")- you will need to consider this carefully because you are really pushing the envelope with that setup. Once you go past approx. 2 1/2" you reduce the performance of the coilover setup because you are pre-loading the coils quite a bit, reducing down-travel, and increasing stress on the balljoints and CV's.If you do the "diff drop" mod, you can improve the CV angle a little bit, but you still have the other issues. You will get lots of opinions on running the tall tires with only 2 1/2" - 3" of lift. I haven't tried it yet, but my guess is that even if you hammer the pinch weld and maybe trim some of the fender liner, you will still get some rubbing. You can avoid rubbing the inner sidewalls on the upper a-arms by going with a uni-ball upper arm from Total Chaos or Inland Trucks.

I have a friend with an '01 taco who has done all of the stuff to get 285/75/16 on his truck. I should put you in touch with him. He has the Inland Truck (formerly ATS) upper uniball arms, the diff drop mod, the manual hub conversion, and has tried a couple of different coilover setups.
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Post Edited (BajaTaco) : 2/23/2004 7:01:56 PM GMT

[expeditionswest]

I just took the Tacoma out on its maiden voyage.
I though I would list my impressions of the vehicle now that I have owned it for a few days.
Positives:
Useable engine torque
Excellent steering response and feedback (I am now sold on rack and pinion)
Solid structure, no rattles. Impacts do not resonate to cab
Good running ground clearance
I love having the small bed
Good low range gearing and torque converter lock-up
Nice cab layout and switch gear
Excellent traction for a stock vehicle, even without the locker engaged
Best performing stock vehicle I have ever driven with the locker engaged
I love the look and utility of the vehicle more with every day (no wonder it is Toyota's BEST sellingtruck or suvmodel in AZ)
Negatives:
Sensitive Throttle (not enoughpedalstroke)
Shocks are horrible for anything but high speed trails (Tokiko)
Long wheelbase requires some getting used to for me (20" longer than any other vehicle I have owned)
Suspension a little stiff (needs a load, like some heavy modshttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif )
Seats lack sufficient support, and sit a little low in the cab (loose for visibility over the hood)
Cab a little cramped, but not at all uncomfortable
Engine needs a little more punch above 3,000 rpm's
Needs slightly better suspension tuning
Not a lot of room in the cab for electronics
You can't remove one side of the rear bench for the fridge (I have an idea for this though)
Overall, I am very pleased with the truck. I have always liked the crew cab compact pick-up since driving them in Italy, and nowI have one in my driveway. If only I could have bought it with a solid axle and diesel motorhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif
I can't wait to start working on this truck. I will be purchasing the rocker protection VERY soon, as I am most concerned about body damage with the long wheelbase.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/tacoma/images/toyota_first_run%20007_jpg.jpg


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Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Great photos! I love seeing a truck with temp. tags getting 'wheeled http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Great report. Sounds about right. The general consensus is that the stock shocks are pretty weak and the rear springs are pretty weak too. But that is okay, because we don't want to pay extra for stuff we are going to replace anyway. (gotta justify it somehow http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ). But you are right - for a stocker - you can't beat it!


http://www.bajataco.com

[JackSilb]

Cooool!
Welcome to the right color right truck brand team.

Boy, just been away a bit.

Scott, don't do much until you can check some of Demello's Tacomas I saw this weekend. Very functional mods. There is a double cab that you HAVE to see it.

Hopefully, Baja can give you a pointer to the trucks from Jason's buddies.

Nice move on getting rid of the unreliable Land Rover!
Enjoy the nice truck.

-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
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[expeditionswest]

This is a pretty interesting solution. Donahoe Coil-overs and Deaver spring packs. 285/75 R16's or 255/85 R16's






<A class=v10gB>EDG-5-2400-02

0-3" DONAHOE SIGNATURE PERFORMANCE SYSTEM
1995.5-2003 TOYOTA TACOMA, PRE-RUNNER,
AND 4WD

SYSTEM INCLUDES:

EDG-5-86100-3" FRONT COIL-OVER RACE SHOCK KIT
EDG- 5-1500PROGRESSIVE 2" LIFT REAR LEAF SPRING KIT
5-BE5-6252-H5LEFT REAR BILSTEIN ZINC-PLATED SHOCK
5-BE5-6253-H5RIGHT REAR BILSTEIN ZINC-PLATED SHOCK

$1646.90</A>




BIL-5-BE5-6252-H5/BIL-5-BE5-6253-H5

BILSTEIN 5100 LEFT AND RIGHT REAR ZINC-PLATEDPERFORMANCE SHOCKS

FEATURING BILSTEIN'S SUPERIOR MONO-TUBE
HIGH GAS PRESSURE DESIGN FOR FADE-FREE
PERFORMANCE AND LONG LIFE. SHOCKS ALLOW
FOR 1.5" OF ADDITIONAL WHEEL TRAVEL.

http://www.superdutyheadquarters.com/donahoe/shocks.jpg




<A class=v10gB>EDG-5-1500

2" LIFT REAR SPRING KIT

PROGRESSIVE 2" LIFT REAR LEAF SPRING KIT

$547.00

EDG-5-2000 U-BOLTS FOR ABOVE

INCLUDED
http://www.superdutyheadquarters.com/donahoe/51500.jpg
</A>




<A class=v10wB></A>

<A class=v10gB>EDG-5-8610

1995.5-2003 TOYOTA TACOMA, PRE-RUNNER
AND 4X4,
1995.5-2002 4-RUNNER 2/4 WD </A>http://www.superdutyheadquarters.com/donahoe/5-8620.png



<A class=v10wB>NOTES:

Front coil-over shock is fully rebuildable

Recommended tire size is 285/75R16
Wheel size 16x8 with 4.5" back spacing

Tacoma 4WD with automatic locking-hub-style trucks can only be
adjusted to 2" in lift height. </A>
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Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Scott, the Donahoe's coilovers are sweet http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[JackSilb]

The people I met this past weekend with lots of cool Tacomas were all over the Donahoe's coilovers.
-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
http://www.4wdtrips.net

[expeditionswest]

After spending some time rolling around under the Tacoma today, I have a few questions for those in the know.

1. What controls/stops down travel in the front suspension? Does the ball joint bind, or the shock limit travel? I did not see an extension travel bumpstop.

2. The UCA ball joint looks like it will hit any tire taller than 32". What backspacing is recommended to resolve this? Ilookslike a255/85 r16 tire would probably work on the stock rims without rubbing the ball joint, or hitting the pinch weld. I even think the 255/85 would fit without a lift (or a minor lift)

Scott Brady
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[transalper]

1. Ball joint bind is the limiting factor. That's why these are so popular:
http://www.camburg.com/images/tacoma/upperarms.jpg

2. ?


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Jay - 97 4Runner
www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner (http://www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner)

[BajaTaco]

I am not so sure that the uniball adds any more travel. General consensus seems to be that it does not. The main advantage is that the socket for the joint does not stick out as far as the casting of the stock arm, so you can have more room for wider tires without rubbing the upper arm.

Regarding the nominal 33" tires withlittle or nolift - as I have said, I have not tried it myself, but tons of people who have, say that you will rub. I think you will rub.With no lift, you will probably rub like crazy. Best thing to do would be to try some on before you buy, if that is possible. Regarding backspacing, I run the stock wheels so I'm not sure, but you will probably find the most common backspacing for 8" wheels to be 3.75. For 7" wheels, I think everyone runs stock backspacing. You might find some useful info on the TTORA wheel/tire database (http://arshes.dyndns.org:8080/RedOctober/Database.php). Just click "view the database", and then scroll down to see the current entries. If you keep scrolling down, you will see details on various setups.

If you join the national TTORA forum, and search the database of messages, you will find lots of info.


http://www.bajataco.com

[expeditionswest]

Thanks for the good feedback. I test mounted the 285's on the Tacoma and they hit the ball joint (the tire would not be able to rotate). It seems like the 265 is the most common tire, but I think I am going to go for the 255/85 (33x10), and perform whatever mods are required. With the 255/85 being much narrower than the 285, it might be an easier fit.
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Scott Brady
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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 3/1/2004 7:50:52 PM GMT

[BajaTaco]

Scott, maybe that is due to the backspacing on the Isuzu wheel. Are you sure you want to go with that thin of a tire? You can easily fit a 10.5 or 11.5 on a stock Tacoma 15x7 wheel.

EDIT: Here is a pic of a Taco with 285/75/16 MTR's. (http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/tacoma_front_trim/partial.jpg)By the way, you might want to check this page which has a write-up on a cool bumper trim (http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/tacoma_front_trim/) that might be nice to have before you get an aftermarket bumper.
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http://www.bajataco.com


Post Edited (BajaTaco) : 3/1/2004 11:49:25 PM GMT

[expeditionswest]

I will need to do some more research on tire fitment. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

I don't so much mind the narrower tire (it is just 10mm or .39 less than a 265/75). But I do need to consider the terrain I will be more likely to drive, like the sand in Baja, where flotation is helpfull. I want to get into the 32-33" range on diameter because of the poorbreak over angle from the long wheelbase. The 285 would be great, but I think lots of mods will be required because of the additional 1.3" width. During the test fit with the trooper tire, the 285 would rub on the back of the fenderwell just barely. I bet the narrower tire (255/85) would not rub at all. I have always been a narrow tire guy, I can't help myself http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif . I could always go to 15" rims and a 33x10.5 BFG...

Has anyone heard and reports on the Can-back top? I kind of like the concept, but am curious about the execution...


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Scott Brady
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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 3/2/2004 2:19:17 AM GMT

[BajaTaco]

Yea, decisions are tough! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif Regarding the BOA, it's really not that bad once you get better than a couple inches of lift on there. The frame and components are tucked up pretty tight and you should have quite a lot of room under there in the middle.


http://www.bajataco.com

[4RunnerDave]

Just thought that I would jump in and congratulate you Scott for the new purchase. As has been already said, great color, great brand! Baja knows his stuff when it come those Tacomas! He should be very helpful (as I've already noticed). I need to get more serious with more mods with mine. I've been taking notes!


Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[GoodTimes]

I know one person with the can-back (it's on a S-10.....in fact, he was here for the Zafari event back in November...the big black s-10). He loves it. But, just like a soft top on a jeep, it won't add much security.


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

> Thanks for the good feedback. I test mounted the 285's on the Tacoma and they hit the ball joint (the tire would not be able to rotate).

Scott, if you get some TLC wheels like me, you will not have this particular problem. The wheel seems off center.
It will rub on the front a bit, you can cut and hammer a bit your way. I had them as AT before going MTs.

I am running 265 / 75 ATs now as you know. But I am starting to think that I should have gone 285. The 265 just look small on my 4Runner ...

My main concern was lack of power.

-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
http://www.4wdtrips.net

[expeditionswest]

I developed a little prototype awning for the Trooper and Toyota. It uses the Thule cross-bars as an attachment point.</div>
Check out the Install (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/awning.html)</div>
http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/awning/images/kofa_3_04%20009_jpg.jpg

Scott Brady
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[transalper]

That'll be very handy. I especially like the Thule extensions - very cool!

How are you storing the tarp? I just roll mine up with all the poles/ropes inside and strap it to my rack. Ihavetwo cornerstiedto the roof rack. It works great and is super easy to set-up and break-down.

I also really like using rope ratchets. They come in all sizes and are some of the handiest camping accessories around . . .

http://www.roperatchet.com/images/ratchet_lg.jpghttp://www.roperatchet.com/images/logo.jpg

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Jay - 97 4Runner
www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner (http://www.geocities.com/transalper/4runner)

Post Edited (transalper) : 3/25/2004 6:47:57 PM GMT

[expeditionswest]

I toss the awning in the bed for storage, but the rack attachment is a good idea. Those rope ratchets are very cool, they came with my Thule Hull-a-port Kayak mount to cinch down the bow and stern.

Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

Has anyone done business with orhaveseen feedback on rockparts (http://www.rockparts.com/bumpers.html) ?
They have a nice swing-out rear bumper and tire carrierthat I am interested in
http://www.rockparts.com/bumpers-skid-rocker/tc_front_larg.jpg

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Scott Brady
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[Tawayama]

Those Toyota double-cabs are pretty sweet. Congratulations on what will surely be a reliable definitely modifiable purchase.

Just out of curiosity, why don't more on the board have the Tundra doublecab? Too new? Too big? Too expensive? Not modd-albe?

I don't know anything about those trucks, so sorry for the ignorance and the hi-jack.

I look forward to seeing what you do with it. Do you know if they will ever offer it in a diesel for the US?

Congrats!

Michael Slade
Tawàyama Safaris Inc.
http://www.tawayama.com

[expeditionswest]

I did seriously consider the Tundra as an option, but for me it came down to the size of the Tundra Double Cab was too big. The wheelbase is 140" with an OAL of 230". I wanted the Double Cab configuration but with the short bed. </div>
I think a Tundra would make a great expedition platform for those interested in limiting their travels to "roads"</div>
I do tend to travel more extreme terrain than most, and a larger vehicle tends to be somewhat of a liability (IMO). The Trooper is even a little on the "large" side for me. This new Tacoma is also very long, and will require rocker protection before traveling on technical terrain. </div>
The Discovery II was just about perfect as far as size goes, I just couldn't keep it out of the shophttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry.gif </div>

Scott Brady
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[Tawayama]

Yeah, the Disco's are hard to take care of unless you know them inside and out and can do the work yourself.

I completely understand why you sold the LR and got a Toyota. When people tell me they're looking at a LR I tell them to go buy a Camry.

:)

Michael Slade
Tawàyama Safaris Inc.
http://www.tawayama.com

[expeditionswest]

IMO, the series I Discovery and 95 and older Range Rovers are proven products, that despitegreater than averagerepair and maintenance requirements, they have proven to be serviceable on the trail. The majority of the operation critical systems on these older vehicles are mechanical in nature, and it is rare to have a transmission or engine failure on these vehicles. The major issue with my series II Discovery was that most of the failures that occurred were software or electronics related, which are impossible to diagnose or repair in the field. The mechanical failures that I experienced were more annoying than anything, and would not have left me stranded. The early RR's, Discovery's and Defenders are all field serviceable, which is why they have maintained their following in remote, rugged locations.
LR North America's attempt to isolate the driver from the process of "driving" has resulted in a complicated, unreliable vehicle that is not field serviceable, and is innappropriate for serious expedition work. I have done consulting and training for Land Rover and they are not interested in maintaining the all terrain integrity of the brand. Market studies have indicated that LR customers want luxury, performance and appearance (hence the new Range Stormer concept).
The Land Rover brand as a dependable, capable, refined exploration platform is a thing of the past. Those desiring the cachet, and romance associated with the LR products (one of themain reasons to purchase one)will need to search for aging NAS 110's, 90's, and early Range Rover's and Discovery's.

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Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Wow - the rockparts.com stuff is completely new to me! I must be slacking http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif The bumper sounds really nice (and heavy!) Too bad they don't list a weight for it. I wonder what kind of hinge system they use. All of the features seem to be just what one would need (including the jack mount - nice).


http://www.bajataco.com

[blupaddler]

Looks good...Also checkout </div>
www.demello-offroad.com (http://www.demello-offroad.com)</div>
they have some pictures in the future products area with rear bumpers. There is a pic there of a Taco double cab with a swing out tire carrier, and a can-back also. I tried to post the pic, but http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/chair.gif </div>



I am going up to see Jason at Demello next week to possibly have some sliders made for my Landcruiser (got to protect that catalytic converter).</div>

WHERE 2 NEXT


robb

[blupaddler]

http://demello-offroad.com/images/10-27-03001.jpg

WHERE 2 NEXT


robb

[expeditionswest]

Nice find!, I really like that one too... I think I will send them an e-mail

Scott Brady
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[Tawayama]

Scott Brady said...
Those desiring the cachet, and romance associated with the LR products (one of the main reasons to purchase one) will need to search for aging NAS 110's, 90's, and early Range Rover's and Discovery's.

Or build their own.

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I will not buy a Land Rover product newer than 1994. All of the Range Rovers we have in our fleet are '94's. I passed on several very clean '95's because I chose to avoid all of the newer ignition systems and electronics which I am not familiar with.

I just roll my eyes when I think about Land Rover. Sad thing is they have been a client in the past and they hopefully will be again in the future.

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Michael Slade
Tawàyama Safaris Inc.
http://www.tawayama.com

[expeditionswest]

When I purchased my Jeep Wrangler last year I seriously considered a very clean 1989 RR SWB with the center diff lock, ARB's, etc. It would have been a fun truck! It even had a roof rack and hannibal tent.

Scott Brady
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[BajaXplorer]

Scott,</div>
Here are a couple of front bumpers from BPI in Denver. I have the receiver model on my truck.</div>
http://bpifab.com/bumper/tacoma_bumpers.htm</div>
Michael</div>

[JackSilb]

Scott,

Darren (here in this Forum), has this really cool back bumper from Rock Ware.

http://mycolorado.org/images/poststockgallery/images/b.jpg

He should be able to answer lots of your questions.
http://mycolorado.org/images/rockware/index.htm

-JACK





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[expeditionswest]

That is a very clean bumper. I like the solid sides over the tube style corners.

Scott Brady
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[JackSilb]

It is indeed nice.
I am considering getting one on my birthday. That is, asking you guys to give me onehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ieh.gifhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/confused2.gif

-JACK
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[VikingVince]

Scott,

Congrats on the new Tacoma...I'm sure you'll make it into a beautiful, exceptionally equipped, modified rig.

I have a simple, perhaps naive, question: Why do you, and others as well obviously, prefer the double cab to the extended cab?...i.e. why do you want more cab room at the expense of the the cargo area? (must be some reason other than more room for people) For building a rig to hold lot of STUFF for extended expeditions, wouldn't the larger cargo area serve you better? Obviously, your answer to that is 'no' but if you'd enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.

thanks,

vince

[Darren]

Scott Brady said...
That is a very clean bumper. I like the solid sides over the tube style corners.


I do, too. I'm generally not a fan of tube bumpers on newer rigs. I think square/solid bumpers look much cleaner and give a finished look.

I even got to use mine again this past weekend out in Moab http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif :

http://home.comcast.net/~dekilgore/bumper_ledge.JPG

Just ended up dragging it off of that step! Only the paint was damaged.

Scott, I really thought I had already commented in this thread, but apparently not. I dig the new truck! I love the double cabs. Looks good, and great choice! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif[/quote]


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MyColorado.org (http://mycolorado.org)

2002 4Runner (modified) (http://mycolorado.org/4runner.html)

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[Ramdough]

What about combo bumpers? Mine is square tube with bent round side protection. I have more pics on my web site, but this is an action shot of the side protection.....(me avoiding a big hole on a climb).
If I only had 32-33" tires with "real" tread on them. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/banghead.gif

https://webspace.utexas.edu/dough/www/Taco/GilmerDec62003/Untitled-108.jpg

When I actually buy a digital camera again, I will take newer better pictures.

[expeditionswest]

Vince,</div>
To answer your question on the Double Cab configuration. I wanted inside access to a lot of gear and accessories like the fridge. I carry a lot of crap that I want in the cab, like cameras, computers, navigation, etc. It is really a hold over from 15 years of SUV's. For me, it creates a nice balance between interior, climate/elements controled environment and the big storage bed out back. I was not planning on making the truck bed into a sleeping area (I will use a roof tent or the fourwheeler camper)</div>
The first thing I need to do is address the ride quality, as the suspension is tuned poorly from the factory. So a nice set of coil-overs and bilstein rear shocks will be installed in the next few weeks. After that I am going to wait a while and do some research on the shell or camper option. I like to address everything as a system, so I have long lead times up to BIG mod cycles. For example, I built my Jeep from stock to how it sits now in 5 weeks. http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Jeep_Wrangler/index.html</div>
I will just use the Trooper for all of the trips until I have everything lined up for the big mod fest.</div>








Scott Brady
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[VikingVince]

thanks scott...makes sense to me...after years of camping and/or doing trips/expeditions, we all have different priorities on what we want available in the cab.

I looked into the fourwheel camper before I bought my Flippac...I think the model (Eagle I believe) for short bed Tacomas weighs about 700 pounds and that's without any options...so that would obviously use up alot of your payload...certainly alot more than the tent-top units. The fourwheel camper would be great to have on your rig though. The
TurtleExpedition folk certainly used one for a long time.

have fun outfitting the truck,

vince

[expeditionswest]

To give everyone a little update!</div>
Life in Tacoma land has been very busy, as I am focusing on the front suspension and rocker protection and rear bumper first. </div>
I am currently considering two different 2.5" (body dia.) front coil-overs. The King Shock and the Donahoe Sock</div>
The King shock is very appealing in the fact that I can customize the shock based upon my projected load. The shock can be custom valved and sprung for my load requirements.</div>









http://www.kingshocks.com/Tacoma.jpg


NEW 2.5" Tacoma/Tundra Bolt-on shock kit!</div>
Specs:
· Billet 6061 T-6 machined aluminum parts
· Fully threaded seamless steel cylinder O.D. for coil overs
· Billet top spring preload adjuster nut to raise or lower ride height
· Large 7/8" diameter shaft - hard chrome plated for strength
· Honed and polished bores
· 5/8" teflon lined spherical bearings
· External reservoir for easy mounting
· Heat treated stainless steel alloy valving designed for
. extreme temperatures
· Duel spring rate's for custom specs
· Self adjusting valving/washer system on piston
· Custom valving available for each specific application
· Completely rebuildable and revalvable
· $850.00 per pair
· Internal reservoir for easy mounting
</div>
King Shock 2 ½" Tacoma and Tundra Bolt-on shocks are easy to install with precision fit and ultra durability</div>
</div>
The Donahoe Coil overcomes pre-configured with a 30% stiffer spring rate then stock. The word on the street is very positive about the ride quality. I am just concerned that the 30% wont be stiff enough with the bumper and winch, etc. I have the spring specs now, so it should be easy to compare with the results that come back from king. At the end of the day, I think either of these shocks will work great.</div>
The rear suspension is another animal. I am going to go with a set of shackles ONLY for right now, as I have no idea what my final load requirements will be. I want a custom set of springs that will give me the best clearance, stability and ride with an expedition load in place. If I go with the Fourwheeler Camper, it will be totally different from the Can-back and roof tent...</div>
I am also going to fit the truck with slightly longer Bilstien 5150 remote res. shocks in the rear, and intend to fabricate an anti-wrap linkage, because that is a big problem with this truck.</div>
So, I am right in the middle of a bunch of cool mod research. I am getting some help along the way, but I will tell you all about thatlittle developmentin the next few weeks. </div>

Scott Brady
mailto:guide@expeditionswest.com (guide@expeditionswest.com)
http://www.expeditionswest.com

[GoodTimes]

Why spend the $$$ for the 5150's, when you are still uncertain of your rear suspensions final dimensions? You could realistically end up with shocks that are too short or too long if you buy them now. And those are some expensive shocks to have to buy them twice.



olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[expeditionswest]

I am pretty certain of the dimensions for the static ride height, just not how much weight the truck is going to hold. After I have all of the goodies installed and the rear tank full of fuel, I will need to weigh each corner of the truck and send it to a custom spring shop. At the end of the day, I want 1.5-2' of lift in the rear, which is perfect for the 5150's I will buy.

Now it is a whole nother issue if they are going to be valved correctly for the load or not. I have had RS9000's in the back of my mind because of that issue.

Scott Brady
mailto:guide@expeditionswest.com (guide@expeditionswest.com)
http://www.expeditionswest.com

[BajaXplorer]

Hi Scott,</div>
Just a couple of notes for your info. You Know I have aftermarket bumpers on both ends. The truck weighs in just short of 4,800 loaded for travel. About equal between front and rear. Have Deaver 9 leaf progressive springs in the rear, that's their 7 leaf Tacoma with two extra for load. I'm now running All-Pro coilovers and a-arms in the front(Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs). Springschanged to 600# for the load (andmulti-point winch on wish list). The height of the finder wells was38" on all four corners partially loaded (load at home), but fully loaded the rear was about 37". To level out more when traveling loaded I put in Daystar 1 1/4" shackles this weekend and cranked the front up another 1/4". Now the front is 38 1/4" and the rear is 39 1/2", but will come down to 38 1/4" loaded. Have RS9000 in rear, but 5150s are on their way (1" longer). A long post, but I remember when I was trying to gather info every little bit helped to become informed.</div>
Michael</div>

[BajaTaco]

Scott, just a little more food for thought. I think GT has a point about the shocks. The reason is that even if you are making an advance decision about how much lift you want on the rear - the jury may still be out on what kind of articulation that you end up with. Combine that with the fact that your leaf pack might vary just a little bit with how much lift you actually get out of it, and finally, if you add shackles to the mix, it can change things a little bit more. What I am getting at is that there is a good chance that the 5150's you get now will work fine when it's all said and done. But, there is a still a small chance that they might be off a little bit - it doesn't take much and you will either hit the stops or over-extend them and limit your travel. I did a little article about this on my website.

Regarding the front end, if there is any way that you can take the truck to a shop like Donahoe, or Camburg, or RaceShock Co. in Phx., and have it dialed in for your final configuration, you will end up with a much better performing setup. The Kings, Donahoes, and Sway-Aways (and maybe the Bilstein/All-Pros - not sure) can be custom valved. The way that I see it, these bolt-on Tacoma coilovers are made for the majority of applications. And ARB/winch combos are not the majority. If you take some off-the-shelf valving and put that kind of load on it, I will be willing to bet they will only do 70% of their potential performance. You see it all over the message boards... "I put on an ARB and winch... and cranked up the coils". Everyone ends up cranking on the coils to compensate. I even did it - and I don't have a winch. I still have this ARB bumper on my truck - and I would love to just take my truck to a good shop and get the shocks re-valved. Heck, I might even add a winch if I did that http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/confused2.gif . I just got brand new 650 lb. coils so I know they are in good shape. I need valving. If not, I will need to get the front end back to it's state of being lean and mean http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif

[EDIT] A really cool setup would be long-travel with a second shock added, and the coilover valved properly. This would help the heavy front end nicely.

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Post Edited (BajaTaco) : 5/17/2004 10:37:44 PM GMT

[BajaTaco]

Oh yea - I forgot to mention - I would hold off on that anti-wrap mod. You will notice it a thing of the past once you upgrade the suspension from stock. Even putting on a set of KYB gas shocks in the mean time will probably stop it.



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[JackSilb]

How much are we talking about for the the coil overs?

I just called a shop that rebuild race shocks for ProTrux. If I got the numbers correct:
- Labor $ 45.00 p/ shock
- $14 for the "kit"
- $10.00 for the oil
- Like Baja, I need a new spring set - $150 (correct?)

~$ 264

Still need to add the labor to replace them from the 4Runner...
Time to have the 4Runner down for a couple of days + driving the coil overs around. $$?

-JACK
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[BajaTaco]

Jack, I paid $100 + tax for my coils. I got the 650 lb. (new longer version - 15') coils from Sway-A-Way. This was back in Sept. 03. Scott should have some current prices on the coilovers for you if you are looking for prices on complete, new units.



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[expeditionswest]

Thanks so much for the insight on this everyone! I have been feeling a little uncomfortable with moving forward on the suspension until I had all of the aux. equipment installed. Now I am certain that I need to wait. I want to do this truck right from the begining, so I will put on all of the other crap, and do the final suspension work last. This is turning into quite the adventure, and the truck hasnt even been modified yet...http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/confused2.gif I probably have 80 hours in research to this point. </div>
Hopefully everything will be done by August, just in time for the winter expedition season http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif </div>










Scott Brady
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[JackSilb]

Scott,

Could you please post your research results on the rebuild rebuildable shock thread?
What models did you research on?
Cost on them?
I did not see the Fox / Fabtech nor bilstein listed on your list.
Comparison sites..

Thanks,
-JACK


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[expeditionswest]

Jack,

I am going to take a little more time researching before I post "my" findings. I am still working with the manufacturers to determin the best solution.

Scott Brady
mailto:guide@expeditionswest.com (guide@expeditionswest.com)
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[JackSilb]

I am not sure how these shops can make a good shock as the Bilstein.

-JACK


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[expeditionswest]

Jack,</div>
I am not sure if these other shocks are better than the Bilstein's, as I have not used any of them in the field. The specifications of the Kings and Donahoe'sare better than the "steins" with a 2.5" body, and more oil volume, etc. The King shocks are configurable when you buy them which is a nice plus, as you may want different reboundcharacteristics, or spring rates, compression firmness, etc. The Donahoe's are pre-set, based upon their testing.</div>
There is no way toknow for sureuntil you try, or ask someone that has...http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif</div>


Scott Brady
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http://www.expeditionswest.com

[BajaTaco]

JackSilb said...
I am not sure how these shops can make a good shock as the Bilstein.

-JACK
</div>They can Jack http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif Just go to the next race in So-Cal and see what people are using. You will see tons of Kings, Sway-A-Ways, and Fox as well as the Bilsteins.

Have you guys seen the new Fox internal bypass coilover shock? Pretty cool.



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[JackSilb]

I don't want to see these since they will make me want to replace mines.

Now that I compared the prices,a rebuild will take me back to where I was before. I like a lotmy shocks. Baja drove the 4Runner once. He was also surprised with the smooth and nice travel of the Fox.

-JACK
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[bretedge]

Hey folks. I'm brand spankin' new on this forum but I thought I'd add my 2 cents. I drive a 2001 Taco Crew Cab Limited (which I love!). I've driven 2 Jeeps and an Isuzu and my Taco is by far the best truck I've owned in every respect.

I've got an Old Man Emu lift (about 2.5" in the front, 3" in the rear) with 285/75-16 MT/R's. With the lift, I'm getting a bit of rub on the frame when the front wheels are cranked all the way to either side. The rear tires rub a bit on the fender flare when the tires are stuffed in the well. There's a small photo of the truck on my site at http://www.bretedge.com/gear.shtml.

This summer, I'll be adding Slee Off Road rock sliders, an ARB front bumper and having a custom rear bumper w/ swing out tire carrier fabricated by RockWare in Colorado Springs.

I'm looking forward to getting to know ya'll and spending some time learning from everyone in the forum!

Post Edited By Moderator (JackSilb) : 7/1/2004 1:07:44 AM GMT

[expeditionswest]

Bret!!!</div>
Welcome to the forum. You have a great looking Tacoma, and some beautiful photography. My wife and I love photography as well. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/camera_flash.gif </div>



I appreciate your feedback on the Tacoma, and share your opinion of the trucks performance, asI still have a trooper and Jeep. Every vehicle has it's advantages, but the Tacoma double cab is the best compromise I have owned yet. </div>
How does the OME kit ride? I have run OME on all of my vehicles to this point, but have heard some negative feedback on the Tacoma stuff (mainly the lack of adjustability and rear spring sag). What are your thoughts?</div>
Now you just need to come on one of our adventures so we can meet!</div>
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif</div>

Scott Brady
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[bretedge]

Thanks for the welcome and the kind comment about my photography, Scott! I just checked out your site (very nice) and you've got some great photos, too. I look forward to getting on the trail with some of you guys...except that Darren guy. I hear he's a real piece of work. J/K...he's a great guy and his truck was the inspiration for me to get off my butt and do something with my own rig!

I've been really happy with the OME set up. I do wish the front end had some adjustability, but that's really my only nit. I haven't experienced any spring sag in the rear, but I've only had the lift for a couple of months. It rides surprisingly well on-road and has made all the difference in the world off-road.

Looks like you're in AZ. I moved to CO from Scottsdale in July, 2002. Loved it down there, love it up here even more!

[Darren]

You watch your mouth, kid! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Welcome to the board, B! Glad you made it over. It's a great place, and it makes me wish I was out travelingall the time!

MyColorado.org (http://mycolorado.org)

2002 4Runner (modified) (http://mycolorado.org/4runner.html)

[expeditionswest]

From the Red Rock thread
"
The truck performs very well off-highway. It's performance it attributed to the following IMO
1. Long wheelbase: At 121", the front tires can clear most obstacles before therear has to climb. Just being a diff. wheelbase than 93" can really make a difference. Most of the time I do not need the rear locker, where I would in a shorter wheelbase like the Discovery, etc.
2. Rear locker: This takes the truck to the next level. Combined with the reasonably flexible rear suspension this truck is incredible.
3. Good ground clearance and tire size: 31" tires and tall suspension
Here are some pics from our recent Prescott adventure. A few videos too. http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/prescott_05_04/index.html
"
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/prescott_05_04/PrescottArizonaAdventure20/images/PICT0043.jpg

I just picked up a set of Demello Sliders, and will post an update soon...


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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 6/2/2004 2:55:21 AM GMT

[BajaTaco]

COTacoPhotog said...

... I'm looking forward to getting to know ya'll and spending some time learning from everyone in the forum!Hey Brett! Darren linked up to your website in another thread, and I followed the link. I meant to comment, but I guess I got sidetracked... anyway, I read your travelogue "curse of the bean" http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif Good stuff. Nice website! I look forward to reading/looking at more of your website. Welcome to the forum here.

OK - Scott, sorry for the hijack pal...

We now return to our regularly scheduled mod discussion...



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[bretedge]

Thanks for the welcome, Baja! I hope to see some of you on the trail this summer...or next...or next.

Also, thanks for the compliments on my photography and the 'bean' travelogue. It's always nice to hear positive feedback on that stuff!

[expeditionswest]

Ok, the mods are starting to happen now that I am actually home for more than one weekend a month (not that traveling is so bad)

I just recently installed a set of HD, bolt on rock sliders from Demello Off-road.

Here is the install and review (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/sliders.html)

http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/sliders/promo/images/Copy%20of%20DSCF2115_JPG.jpg (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/sliders/promo/images/DSCF2115_JPG.jpg)

I am currently working with Jason on a custom rear bumper with swing-out tire carrier. This will allow for the aux. fuel tank to be installed, which is a high priority!

The tires should go on soon (255/85's), but I need to work out the suspension first, and have been dragging my feet!

So, more to come soon as my little truck starts to take shape.




Scott Brady
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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 6/14/2004 2:27:30 AM GMT

[bretedge]

Hey Scott,


The sliders look great! I'm VERY interested to hear and see what you come up with for the rear bumper and tire carrier. I've shopped around a bit for one and had settled on RockWare in Colorado Springs. However, I'd like to see yours before I commit to the RockWare bumper.


Looking forward to seeing your truck with each new mod!

[expeditionswest]

I should have the bumper installed in the next month and will let you know how it goes. I want the bumper to have solid rocker protection wrapping around the side, not the tube design (more of an asthetic thing). Thanks for the nice comments. The bars were very easy to install.

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Scott, as you already know - I love the sliders. Sweet! We need to go beat 'em up now emoticons/biggrin.gif

In another thread, you mentioned that you were going to put 285's on. Is this so? You are not going with the 255's?


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[expeditionswest]

Probably a Freudian slip emoticons/blush.gif . I dont think I can fit the 285's without more lift. I want to keep it at 2" or less (1.5" prefered). But I could also be wrong on the 255's too, and will need more lift. My best judgement (and some measuring) tells me that the 255's will be ok...


Scott Brady
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[blupaddler]

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Now, I may have gotten something wrong here...but...

I was under the impression that the 285's are a bit shorter than the 255's. The 285's are wider.


So...If my assumutions are correct...are you concerned about fitment inside of the fenders...width. Or lift...tall...



WHERE 2 NEXT


robb

[expeditionswest]

The difference in actual height is less than 5mm (I measured a set), but the width is close to 30mm difference. For fitment of tires, width is almost always an issue before height (example: a 3' wider tire will mostly likely be a problem before a 3' taller tire with the same section width).

Tires typically rub on the front when turning, or on shocktowers, control arms, springs, etc. because of width (especially with todays high offset wheels). The rear is much less of an issue, but the wider tires will usually rub the frame and body under suspension compression.

In the case of my Tacoma, I feel that the 255/85 is the tallest tire I can fit on my truck with full suspension movement (not lowering the bump stops). The truck currently has 265/70 R16 tires on it now. The 255' is about 70mm (actual) taller than my curent tire, which only leaves 35mm on each side of the wheel center. Since the 255' is narrower than the 265' the height while turning wont be an issue. Of course practical application of all of this is another story, and we will know for sure in a few weeks.

So to summarize you question Robb: it is typically much easier to fit a 5mm taller tire than a 30mm wider one.

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[blupaddler]

Thanks Scott...


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I can always count on you for the detailed information.





I on the other hand am still deciding on my tire size. I am leaning more and more toward the 285's b/c I think the extra width will help my...how do you say...weight situationemoticons/joker1.gif

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robb

[expeditionswest]

Robb,


You are definetaly on the right track, and I think your width logic is sound, as you will most likely be playing around the southwest, where flotation is a very important factor. A loaded out FJ80 is going to be a very heavy truck, and will want to dig to China on anything soft (having driven with Doron, and his 6k lb. monster has shown me this emoticons/cool.gif ). Then again, my Tacoma is going to be heavy, and I might regret my choice, given the amount of time I spend in the southwest too.


It will be an interesting exercise though emoticons/biggrin.gif , and I will know soon enough if my theory holds water (or weightemoticons/joker1.gif) with a heavy rig...

Scott Brady
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[JackSilb]

Huh, don't tell me now that I should have goe with 305 of 295 ...


-JACK



Scott Brady said...



Robb,


You are definetaly on the right track, and I think your width logic is sound, as you will most likely be playing around the southwest, where flotation is a very important factor. A loaded out FJ80 is going to be a very heavy truck, and will want to dig to China on anything soft (having driven with Doron, and his 6k lb. monster has shown me this emoticons/cool.gif ). Then again, my Tacoma is going to be heavy, and I might regret my choice, given the amount of time I spend in the southwest too.


It will be an interesting exercise though emoticons/biggrin.gif , and I will know soon enough if my theory holds water (or weightemoticons/joker1.gif) with a heavy rig...





So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
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[expeditionswest]

10mm of width between those two sizes is insignificant. I think both will make a great tire for your 80!

!!!REMEMBER JACK!!! - You now own one of the most capable expedition vehicles EVER made. Even in stock form, the thing is incredible. With 295's or 305's it is going to blow your mind. emoticons/bowdown.gif

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[JackSilb]

> With 295's or 305's it is going to blow your mind.

285s not 295's

> You now own one of the most capable expedition vehicles EVER made. Even in stock form, the thing is incredible

I really need to try it out.

I have to confess that today I still I have more fun driving my 4Runner. Don't tell anyone OK. The 4Runner is more responsive in the black stuff. The TLC takes too long to get to speed. The minivan, YES I know, I know, I said I KNOW. We have one too, it isway much faster. Today I took my soon to the airport using the minivan (at 4:30 AM, ouch!). He had to keep reminding me that I was going too fast.

-JACK






So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
http://www.4wdtrips.net

[Ramdough]

While we are on tires here, I figure I aught to ask my questions.

Scott, when do you think you will buy your tires and let us know if they fit?




As some of you know, I have been contemplating 285/75r16's (forever)

I have SAW's and OME (gonna have to change this to heavier leaf springs due to cargo weight) in the rear with a 1" body lift.

Half of the people I ask say they rub, half say they fit fine (4.25 BS eliminates the frame rub at full stearing lock) http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/pat.gif

I know the 4runner guys all say they work, but I have a Tacoma and do not know if the wheel wells are the same.
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif
I expect to buy tires in the next 3 Months.

[JackSilb]

I had them on my 4Runner with TLC rims. They rubbed. Then I had to trim the mud flap in the front. Still rubbed in the back on extreme flex.
One of my problems was the lack of power. Be ready if you don't want to re-gear.
Now I run 265-75. It seem a good compromise. Still, I miss the look of the 285's and the bit of extra ground clearance. For what I do, no worthy the lack of power.


-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
http://www.4wdtrips.net

[Ramdough]

I imagine I will eventually regear. I would like a front locker. That would be the time to regear.
I have no mudflaps.

[expeditionswest]

I hope to have the tires on soon. I really like the 285 size, and would probably go that route if I could fit them with less lift. It looks like 2" suspension and 1" body lift is required to get full travel without rubbing (to be on the safe side). I only want 1.5-2" lift, so the 255/85 is the solution for me. I should be able to let you know in a few weeks how things go. I am working on getting some tires sponsored and the process is a slow one!


edit: Oh, and the rear bumper/swing out gets installed the second week of August! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif . The aux. tank wont be far behind...




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[Ramdough]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif


What are your plans for the Aux gas tank? I have been contemplating a Jeep Grand Cherokee tank (SP?).

I am starting my deck this week.

It is cool having anotherDCAB with similar ideas and buildup to bounce ideas off.

[expeditionswest]

I like your GC tank idea and will likely do something similar. Have you found a source for the y-pipe?


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[blupaddler]

There is actually a split "Y" pipe that is used for the Landcruiser for our auxillary tanks. You might be able to adapt that to your process. I know Christo @ Slee Off Road sells them, when they are in stock. Australian thing








Scott...


"sponsorship" common, don't hold out on us, I expect a set of BFG Baja a/t in the 285/75 size. Just 5 will do for now. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


Hey, even if not free, maybe a "pro deal." We get deals on stuff through my job, like wetsuits and stuff.

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robb

[expeditionswest]

Thanks Robb, I will give Christo a call...

I will let you guys know about the 'sponsorship' situation soon. I have been up to a lot recently ; )


By the way, I just got back from Utah, and a 100 mile off-road trek through Grand Staircase, it was pretty awesome. More to follow!

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[Ramdough]

I plan on making the "Y" myself out of stainless steal. I will do that after I mount the tank so I can figure out how to route the fill line. I could draw a concept for you if you are interested.
It will have a hose barb on the main tank side for the transfer pump line. I will also put a grounding lug on it so that it is grounded to the chassis (safety concern of mine).

[BajaTaco]

Ramdough said...

I know the 4runner guys all say they work, but I have a Tacoma and do not know if the wheel wells are the same.
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif
I checked mine ('98) against a similar 4runner ('98 or '99?) and the 4runner wheel wells are indeed slightly bigger.

Also - on the y-pipe, I inquired quite awhile ago about getting one from Cristo. He only had one and it was pretty pricey. Over $100 if I remember correctly (this was one that had a pull lever that would pivot a flap between the two pipes).

Scott - we are looking forward to the up and coming goodies!


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[expeditionswest]

Here is a little update on the Tacoma front. My recent sponsorship efforts have been quite successful and have resulted in some cool new parts in my garage. Now I need to start the installs.

1. Gauge pod (http://www.gaugepods.com/) for drivers side pilar. provision for two gauges. This is a really nice gauge pod, and replaces the entire factory trim piece, and is painted oak to match the interior
2. A set of gauges from Cyberdyne:
(2) Ambient Temp Gauges: to monitor the fridge and outside temps. Will be mounted in the dash.
(1) Air pressure gauge: To monitor the air tank for pressure, problems and sufficient air for the ARB
(1) Voltmeter (mounted in the pods)
(1) Trans Temp with sender(mounted in the pods)
3. Demello Off-road (http://www.demello-offroad.com) rear bumper with swing-out tire carrier (install scheduled for 8/16 in CA)
4. (6) BFG 255/85 R16 KM Mud Terrains on (6)American Racing 797 black steel wheels sponsored by Big O tires

I am also in the process of building a rear seat area platform that uses one fold-up seat and a mount for the ARB fridge. Also some communications equipment and storage provisions.

The next big issue is suspension. I am working with Donahoe and Deaver for an interesting set-up which will yield about a 1.5-2" lift when loaded.

So these next few months are going to be very busy. If all of the other equipment I have scheduled comes in, I am going to need to hire someone http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/confused2.gif

During a recent training gig I took some fun pictures of the truck in action (http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/07_training/OHVDriverTrainingCourseTab/)

Well... I am off to Florida in the morning to do some spearfishing in the Bahamas. If I get eaten by a sharkhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/skull.gif it was nice knowing you all http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif

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[blupaddler]

Bahamas?


I thought you were going to French Polynesia?


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Anyway, lets see...August 16th. Hmmm...


That is a monday. Guess what? Monday is Sushi night!! Or is it Brazilian BBQ night?http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


Whatever it is, I think it would be a great night for us San Diego guys to check out the...uh, installation job on your Taco. You know make sure the bolts are tightened correctly, and that the bumper looks correct. Jason's shop is only a little ways from SD. We could all meet up for some food or dinner or something? And you wouldn't have to worry about a place to stay, I have plenty of room. Oh, well. Give it some thought.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/burger.gif





Have a safe trip, and remember, "it's the ocean!"




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robb

[expeditionswest]

Change in plans, as we needed to make the trip shorter. I am sitting in an internet cafe in Key West right now... here are some pics from today (low res phone stuff)

We will have to set-up a dinner and hangout time for my trip to So. Cal.



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[GoodTimes]

Hey Scott, have I ever told you that http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yousuck.gif ?


http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


Wanna trade jobs? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

Scott Brady said...
...I am sitting in an internet cafe in Key West right now... here are some pics from today (low res phone stuff)




Ahhhh... technology. Freakin' cool. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif


Not too long ago, you were sitting in AZ, and now you are in Key West... sending us pics from your cell phone camera.. LOL!


Have a pina colada for me, okay?


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[expeditionswest]

I am back, and the trip was great. Bad weather from last weeks storms kept us local to Key largoand we suffered from poor visibility. Saw a few sharks, and came face to face http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif with a 6' nurse shark. No requiem species, which was probably a good thing. Did my first blue water spearfishing, which basically involves jumping off of the side of the boat 6-8 miles off shore, having the guy in the boat chum thewater,and waiting for the big pelagic species like marlin, barracuda, jack, king fish, etc. Pretty crazy to do with 20' vis., and 100's of feet of the big blue below you...http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/skull.gif


Here are the pics: (http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/florida/FloridaSpearfishing/index.html)


And a few attachments...


Check out the spotted eagle ray (Aetobatus narinari). He was 4' across from wing tip to wing tip! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/camera_flash.gif

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[GoodTimes]

Nice! I always wanted to go spearfishing.....but I'm not sure I'm too keen on the 'jumping off of the side of the boat 6-8 miles off shore, having the guy in the boat chum the water' part.....my luck we would find out Jaws wan't just a movie!!!


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[expeditionswest]

Look what I found!


(6) 255/85 R16 BFG MT/KM's on American Racing 797 Steel Wheels. Special thanks to Big O tires!


NOW I NEED TO SEE IF THEY WILL FIT! They measure over 33" actual height...





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[expeditionswest]

THEY FIT!






http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/255-85/25585R16BFGMTKMs/images/DSC01942.jpg





So the rumors can be laid to rest. Yes, you can fit a set of 33" tires on a stock tacoma.


Front:
It does rub on the frame a bit, so I will need to adjust the steering stops slightly. It also rubs on the plastic covering the pinch weld. I am going to need to trim the plastic, and pound down the pinch weld. All of that was expected


Rear:
It rubs the rear of the fender flares a bit, and the front too under full compression. I am going to trim the flares, which should take care of it.
I am still going to fit the truck with a 1-1.5" lift using (likely) Donahoe's in the front and a rear shackle for now, until I know my final load.

I drove the truck around and did some flex tests. So far, so good...

Here are the pics (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/255-85/25585R16BFGMTKMs/index.html)http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/camera_flash.gif






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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 8/9/2004 10:21:09 PM (GMT-8)

[blupaddler]

Scott...


Looks good!!!http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif





But...those rims do look a little like the steel LandRover type. Was this intentional or just part of the deal that you got?





http://www.northbyrover.com/alan2.jpg








Although it does make me a bit nostalgic for my old steel black rims that I had on my T100.

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robb

[GoodTimes]

Too cool Scott!





Now you just need to get that *trimming* done, and do something about that goofy toyota front bumper......and add a locker up front (you already have the rear locker from the factory, right?)......and a winch, and a roll cage, and a few lights, and a......








How cool would this pic (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/attach.aspx/866/DSC01942.jpg)be if you had a bumper like this (http://bajataco.com/sierra2003/L_sm_002.jpg) http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif





olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

Post Edited (GoodTimes) : 8/10/2004 12:27:38 AM (GMT-8)

[expeditionswest]

Thanks!

I have always liked the steel wheel simplicity, and this new style from American Racing looks a little more safari/land rover than the typical steel one.

Here is want I am working on now: (in order)
Rear bumper with swing-out
Gauge pod and gauges
1-1.5" lift
Aux. Fuel Tank
Remove rear seat and install single fold-up seat and the fridge on a custom rack
4.88 or 5.29 gears and front ARB locker
Front Bumper w/winch
Snorkel
Multi-band radio
Computer/monitor
camper/tent set-up
water tank
etc.....




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[JMyerz]

Scott,

What is the BS on those rims, also do you know if this is true for all Tacoma (95.5 on up) years?

Thanks

Justin

[expeditionswest]

Justin,

4' BS. Tire fitment does seem to vary slightly according to some of the forum posts, which honestly suprises me. Toyota maintains very strict tolerances in their manufacturing process. The issue for fitment seems to be created by rim offset (BS), and tire width. For example, a 33x12.5 or 285/75 tire would not likely fit as easy as the 255/85 I installed.

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[JMyerz]

Thanks for the info scott,

I plan on running the exact tire when I sell my rover and a get a tacoma. One last question, did your front end flex tests include the disconnecting of the sway bar or is it still attached?

Thanks

Justin

[expeditionswest]

the swaybar was still attached. I plan on testing that further this weekend.

What kind of rover do you currently own? I had a 2001 Disco II for several years...

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[JMyerz]

I have a '96 Disco, nice rig but too heavy and eats too much gas for my liking. I also want to be able to sleep in the back for my many planned baja / surf trips :D

[BajaTaco]

Hi Justin - welcome to the forum!

Scott! I think we have a break through here?! What you are reporting and what I see looks VERY promising! I was expecting those tires to look much more thin, but they don't look too bad! I can't wait to see this in person. Very exciting developmentswith the EW fleet!!!

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[TrailWorn]

Sweet! Those tires look like they'll have no end of grip. I'd not have considered 255/85's, but if I am fortunate enough to run a second set for offroad, these will be high on the list.

[BajaTaco]

C'mon, I'm biting my nails over here! ... ready for an update





http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif


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[expeditionswest]

Patience Bajasan, very soon... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif

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[blupaddler]

Okay if memory serves me correct, the rear bumper was supposed to go in on 8/16/2004.


Today is 8/24/2004. Spill the beans already!!!



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robb

[expeditionswest]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry2.gif It is still in process http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry2.gif and should be in its new home by next week.


Here is a super top secret spy photo of it in process http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif





I also worked on the truck this last weekend:


Grey wire mod
Kill http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/chair.gif the door chime mod
Full time power outlets mod
Make room for the big tires mod


I will post some updates soon http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif

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[expeditionswest]

Here is a short write-up on the frame reinforcement. I could actually feel a difference in how the rear suspension worked (stiffer). The truck is ready for that new bumper :)


Frame Reinforcement (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/frame.html)


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[expeditionswest]

I have been busy over the last month on the truck, and in preparation for our trip through the Sierra Madre. But I did want to give a quick update and a few pictures until I have a chance to do the install articles:


1. Donahoe Coil-overs
2. Auxilliary fues block (10 circuit)
3. Lo Tek gauge pod and a Cyberdynetransmission temp gauge and voltage gauge
4. Cyberdyne Air pressure gauge
5. Cyberdyne temp gauge for fridge and temp gauge for outside temp with high low recall
6. Cobra CB and Yaesu FT-2800m 2m and VX-150 HT
7. Engle 42L Fridge/Freezer on custom mounts (rear seat has been removed)
8. Custom multi tray storage unit behind passenger
9. rubber bed mat and bednet
10. Custom 10 leaf Deaver springs set to 800lb rear axle load, 2" lift
11. Bilstein 5100 rear shocks (1.5 greater OAL)
12. 22 gallon aux. fuel tank
13. Demello custom rear bumper with side protection, swing out tire carrier, jack mount
14. Safari Snorkel (not installed yet)
Here are a few pictures...

Up next is...

1. Front bumper and winch
2. Hella lights
3. four wheel camper or can-back and roof tent
4. Front seats
5. Gearing and front ARB

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[Ramdough]

Looks good. You are making me jealous. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/bowdown.gif


What do the switches on the guage pod do?

I eventually want to run a guage pod with tranny and engine oil temp guages. I was thinking of having an LED next to each guage that would be activated by a low pressure switch. And maybe a buzzer like Steve. You might have room if interested.

By the way, I sent to an email to expeditions west.

[expeditionswest]

The switches recall the lowest and highest extremes within the recorded range.

oh, and you've got mail :)

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[Ramdough]

Hey Scott,

Just a thought on the Can Back.

I really think they are cool looking, but with a shell or camper, you can lock them when you are in a restaurant or just away from your vehicle.

I plan on eventually wiring an alarm into my shell for added security.

Do you think a cloth top would be secure enough when it is filled with gear and you are away from your truck?

Just a thought.

BTW, on your rear tire swing out, what goes in the slot next to the Hi-Lift? Jerry can? Pull Pal?

With all of your recent mods, I feal like I am slacking off.

[Creeper]

Scott, there may be an alternative to the Can-Back, but based on the same idea. They don't show a model for Toyota yet but I'm sure in due time. Maybe you could be their guinea pig for 'Yota's ? - Bestop's new truck toppers (http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=48)


And on another note, I couldn't find anywhere here or on your site which size wheels you chose to go with the 255's. I was curious if you stayed with a 7" wheel or opted for the 8"er. I'm considering 255's on my stock 7" wheels and I've been using your photos toget a visual. I was also curious about any power and mpg differences you've noticed by moving up to the 255's. Thanks -

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

[expeditionswest]

They are 16x8 American Racing 797 Black steel. The tires would also work perfect with a 16x7.

My first preference is the Four Wheel Camper, but I have been working on a little idea over the last few days that might be VERY COOL. Still trying to make it all fit though...http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/chair.gif If it works, it could be very nice. More details to come http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif

Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

Here are a few more mods that were completed before the Sierra Madre expedition.


Snorkel
mag lights on pass and driver side
Water cans
Platform (I need to have it powder coated)
Radios (still more work needed)
shovel/axe mount
Inverter, etc


Front bumper and winch is next. after that isthe sleepingsolution
I will work on getting more detailed descriptions of all of this when I get back from CO next week





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[Ramdough]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/eek2.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/bowdown.gif That about says it all.....


Did you make the shovel and axe carrier?


BTW,I posted my tire swing out, and I wanted to know if on your bumper, did you attach the upright poles to the body, or are they only attached at the bumper.

[expeditionswest]

I made the carrier. Not too bad. I can give you the details on making one.

The uprights are attached to the bed of the truck, between the bed sides and the tailgate.

Scott Brady
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[Ramdough]

Nice,

Actually, I would be interested in details on all of your mods.....if not to copy (all of them), but touse your ideas for my projects. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I guess if you ever get the time, I would appreciate any extra pictures you have....feel free to email to me as many as you care to take....I have a high limit on the server.


With the tire swing out, are you at all worried about the crunching the body if rear ended? Also, are the mounting holes for the bumper tight on the bolts? Mine are a little loose for adjustment. I fear if I attach to the body too, I may crunch something if I were to really drop hard on the bumper. Just thinking out loud.

[expeditionswest]

The attachment to body is somewhat of a concern, but the whole thing is very ridged. There are kickers to the frame from the side protection that prevent rotation. That helps too. All of the holes are oversized for stack-up issues. Overall the bumper fits very tight.

When I get back from CO, I will put together a bunch of pics :)

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Ahh, now I see what you were talking about (in the cab). You described it well. The shovel/axe carrier is cool! Nice job on everything. With all of the mods, when will you ever have time to get your radiolicense? (hint hint http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif ) You gotta get it before we do the next trip so we can BS on the REAL radios! hehehe





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[expeditionswest]

I just completed the write-up on the rear Deaver springs. Please take a look, and let me know what you think. Deaver have proven to be a very cool company and group of people. The are OHV enthusiasts and really wanted lots of feedback on the springs. They are hoping to make a production version of the springs they gave me. So far, the springs are perfect. They manage the load well, and still flex to the limits of the longer Bilstein's.


Install write-up (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/deaver.html)

http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/suspension/DeaverSprings/images/Copy%20of%20DSC02144.jpg








Radio License http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smashfreakb.gif ... I am a very bad man http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/chair.gif . Do you have the book Chris? I will make sure to be legal before the Nov. run.











Scott Brady
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[GoodTimes]

Scott, if Baja doesn't have a copy, I have one. Let me know if you want it, I'll bring it to Vegas next week.


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

GT, that would be great if you could bring yours. I don't have a copy.


BAJATACO.COM (http://bajataco.com)

[blupaddler]

WOW!!!

I don't know how I missed out on this... /forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif /forum/emoticons/chair.gif

Scott...

Just curious why the axe and shovel on the outside. Are you concerned about them hitting or catching on anything? The water can holders...did you build them?

Everything looks very good. I am envious. /forum/emoticons/bowdown.gif

WHERE 2 NEXT

robb

[BajaTaco]

Scott, it looks great! I'm curious about the left/right bias, which was not mentioned- did you do anything to address this? Does your truck sit level in the back from L to R? Any plans to run a longer shackle? My guess is that youare waitingto see how the camper setup goes and where things settle after all of the mods?

Getting the stock shackles off of my truck was a real pain - they didn't want to come off.

I get to see the truck tomorrow night for the first time since all of the heavy duty mods http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif


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[BajaXplorer]

Scott,


You don't need a book to pass the tech ham exam.


Just keep taking the test on the internet until your sick of it. Practice on different websites, it improves your ability. A couple of weeks of testing several times a day and you will be ready.


Most of the info will be familiar very quickly. Some of it will be rote memory you can dump after the test. You can test (real test)as much as it takes to pass.


BX


http://www.qrz.com/testing.html


http://www.eham.net/exams/


http://www.w8mhb.com/exam/Try the flashcards too!


http://www.aa9pw.com/radio/


http://www.qsl.net/n4rpd/


http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/pools.html





I'm lost, but I'm making good time. (Yogi Berra)

[expeditionswest]

BX,

Thank you VERY much!

Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

A few updates:


I still really need to get a skid-plate installed on the fuel tank if I am going to bring the taco on the Tucson runs. I might have to go with a simple bash plate for now, until I can figure out how to tie the main skid to the frame (to support the weight of the truck if necessary).


When I was at SEMA I found this really cool awning. They gave me one to check out, and here is the write-up.


article (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/adventure_equip/AP_awning.html)









http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/adventure_equip/sportmaster/images/Copy%20of%20scott&amp;truck_side_jpg.jpg



If anyone is interested, let me know, as I am considering doing a big group buy.


Scott Brady
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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 11/12/2004 9:35:22 AM (GMT-8)

[TrailWorn]

Count me in for interest in the awning. How do you think it would hold up to rain?

[alanh]

TrailWorn already asked the question I had in mind.
Liquid sunshine was more of a problem on my recent trip.

If not treated, there might be something one can put on it.

You can put me down as at least tentatively interested although
you might not be interested in the work to ship one to Seattle.

Alan
KE7AXC
2000 4Runner

[expeditionswest]

I will be happy to order a bunch, but only as one big bulk purchase. That way they all come in at once, and I can ship them back out in one day to save time.


It is not waterproof, but could easily be treated.


Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

I finally have the skid plate installed on the aux. fuel tank, although temporarily. It is really more of a bash plate as it cannot hold the weight of the truck. For example, if the truck slid off of a rock and the full weight of the rear of the vehicle landed on the tank, it would be bad... What I need to do is install two thick rubber mounts to the cross member, so that the tank can push up against the rubber mounts if weight is applied.


In reality though, the way I have it currently is similar to most OEM applications, or even better as some dont even have the bash plate.


Here are a few pictures.


Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

Look what I found





Scott Brady
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[GoodTimes]

What, you justfoundthose laying around the garage when you were loading up the taco???

So are you gonna do something with them today, or just let them sit there and collect dust???http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[expeditionswest]

They are on ; )

Scott Brady
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[GoodTimes]

I figured as much, just had to make sure.





On that note, I have to get out to the garage and heat the torch up....http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/gottogo.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[expeditionswest]

For those of you who would like to check out how I installed the Engle Fridge in the back of my Tacoma, here is the installation review (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/fridge.html):


The mounts use the factory seat holes and the whole thing is very solid!
http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/fridge/images/DSC02100_JPG.jpg


Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Excellent write-up my friend http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

Those brackets you fabbed up are sweet! I wouldn't be surprised if there was a niche market for those little gems... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif


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[expeditionswest]

Here is my write-up on the gauge pod and Cyberdyne Gauges installation.


Gauge Article (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/gauges.html)
http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/gauges/images/cyberdyne_gauges.jpg

Now I need to mount the two air temp gauges (for the fridge and outside air temps) and the pressure gauge (for the compressed air system). Not a lot of room though http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Another nice article Scott!


Just a note - you didn't mention the connection/routing of the sending wires for both gauges. Also, I'm curious how the transmission ECT switch functions as a dimmer circuit?


Where to put the remaining three gauges... hmmmm... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif I have often thought aboutwhat a nice product that areplacement center console (molded plastic) that incorporates gauge pods and auxiliary switches, would be. It seems this could be done by using the space where the cup holders are on the side of the manual trans. floor/shifter console, and maybe also for the auto. floor/shifter console as well.


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[expeditionswest]

BajaTaco said...



Just a note - you didn't mention the connection/routing of the sending wires for both gauges. Also, I'm curious how the transmission ECT switch functions as a dimmer circuit?
I should have been more specific in the article. I tapped into the wire that provides back lighting to the ECTswitch (when the marker and headlights are on). I will try to re-write that...[/quote]

I do need to add more detail on the trans sending unit, but it is incomplete. I need a dual wire sender, which they are shipping as I write this.


BajaTaco said...



... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif I have often thought aboutwhat a nice product that areplacement center console (molded plastic) that incorporates gauge pods and auxiliary switches, would be. It seems this could be done by using the space where the cup holders are on the side of the manual trans. floor/shifter console, and maybe also for the auto. floor/shifter console as well.


I like that idea... I am considering something along those lines, and will probably make it out of steel or aluminum, as I also want a camerea/video camera pocket there and want it to be lockable.




Scott Brady
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[expeditionswest]

I finished my review of the Quick Fist clamps that I used to mount my mag-lights and fire ext. I am pretty impressed. For those of you that received a few of these from me, any feedback that I can pass on to them?


Quick Fist Article (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/quick_fist.html)
http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/tacoma/quick_fist/images/quick_fist.jpg


Scott Brady
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