Presidents' Day Holiday Weekend

[YukonBob]

I'm thinking El Golfo/Sierra Pinacate.

It's a place that I haven't been to for a a long time. I just have this itch to get back.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

There are a least two roads that head north from near the osprey nest and I'd like to follow those two roads as far as they go. Anyone that's been on the road from El Golfo to Puerto Penasco has taken a picture of the nest.

I'd like to travel the Sick Springs road SouthEast to NorthWest. I don't think you've traveled a road until you have seen it in both directions. So it's something I'll have to do soon, if not this trip. I really like this road. It's my second favorite.

There were branch roads from the Sick Springs road that need to be explored.

Or we could make an assault on 32114.

And then there are more roads in the Sierra El Rosario. We could probably spend the weekend there.

Can't do it all. but I need to do somethinghttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif

Post Edited (YukonBob) : 1/23/2004 1:51:18 AM GMT

[JackSilb]

Lets Rock!

-JACK


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[MrS]

Sounds good http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif Let me check my calendar......let see.. Prez day Feb 16, the weekend,14 & 15. Oh Carp http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/banghead.gif I have to work, whats the odds of that? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry.gif

KF6YSB

[AlWalter]

Let's do it. I'm not sure if 2/16 works for me, but 2/14 & 15 do.

I've been down that road more than anybody, & have yet to take a picture of the Osprey nest.

The Sick Springs Rd. needs to be fully explored. Bob, whats your favorite Rd. if this is #2?

Heading into the dunes from the south from El Golfo has my interest, since we were heading straight to 32114.
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Post Edited By Moderator (YukonBob) : 1/23/2004 1:52:26 AM GMT

[GoodTimes]

HMMMMMM........I was planning a SoAz trip that weekend. Maybe I'll join you guys instead. Let me get ahold of Chuck and see what he feels like (since he was involved in the 'other' trip....which was really just a idea, no trip has actually been planned).


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[Ursidae69]

GoodTimes said...
HMMMMMM........I was planning a SoAz trip that weekend. Maybe I'll join you guys instead. Let me get ahold of Chuck and see what he feels like (since he was involved in the "other" trip....which was really just a idea, no trip has actually been planned).
</div>Someone page me?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

I'm in for this. I can arrive the 13th mid to late afternoon and will need to leave the afternoon of the 16th.


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[WhiteThaiGer]

Baja and I were thinking about an AZ/CA trip, let's see what he has to say. </div>
Otherwise I am up for this. It's good for a 3 day weekend. </div>


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[GoodTimes]

I talked to Baja tonight about this. Still not sure what is going on. The problem I [may] have is that I will have to switch my sleep schedule around since I get off friday morning at 7:00am, will need some sleep, and need to get some sleep on monday before work monday night. So, lots of driving on Friday or Monday are not going to be good for me. That really only leaves 2 days.......


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

I'll have to get back to you on this one - soon. Gotta run.



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[YukonBob]

Wow, that was a pretty good response. Looks like the publicist for this trip has done a good jobhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif . I guess it's a trip.

I've edit some of the postings above to give the road around the Pinacate a name. My research hasn't foundthe realname for it yet so I'm going to call it Sick Springs Road. A story goes with it.

Trip is still in the planning stages. Past history has found us spending Friday night at a motel inYuma ($30). So everybody traveling long distance on Friday should have an easy drive or be able to get some rest. I'll be working all day on Friday and I'm three hours from Yuma. The best exit for people from Arizona and New Mexico will probably be Lukeville on Monday. That's three hours from Tucson.

Sorry,Al. I forgot you only take serious pictures these days. You should probably add the osprey nest this trip. My favorite road is in the Sierra Madre. I believe it generally follows General Crook's route of 1883 to find the Apaches, but I'm still working on that theory.Like the Sick Springs road, it's not well traveled these days and it often disappears.

Post Edited (YukonBob) : 1/23/2004 2:59:00 AM GMT

[YukonBob]

Everybody has two meters for this trip? If not see Jack, I'm not sure I can put the CB back in truckhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

[JackSilb]

Oh, brave man. You got rid of the CB? Or spoil ...
CB is like a good memory of old time. Just by someone being able to listen to you, it was a challenge.
Have you tried used a CB after you got used to the VHF? he he he. You will see what I mean.
How could I live without VHF 2m before? Why all the people don't get one...

-JACK


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[YukonBob]

Here is the plan:


We'll leave Yuma on Saturday morning , February 14th, and head to El Golfo. A leisurely drive down the beach for about thirty five miles puts us in position to cross the salt ponds and head north to the railroad tracks. We'll follow the tracks to check out a couple of roads that head north to the Sierra Pinacate and make sure Al gets his picture of the osprey nest. Camp will probably be somewhere in thisarea north of Bajia Adair.


If none of the roads go where we want, the worst that happens is we go towards Rocky Point and take the Sick Springs road in to the Northwest. Investigating this area should take up the second day.


That will leave us with easy exit points for the third day and it doesn't matter which direction you'll be going. And there will be plenty more to explore if you have more time.


On the last trip, I didn't warn the first timers of what they were about to see. They seemed to like some of the surprises that the area holds. They thought it was pretty nice being amazed by what they found. We keep to the same plan this time, excect the osprey nest is out of the bag. The area has enough to amaze you on your first trip or your tenth.


All camping and carry some extra gas.


If you don't want to be too surprised, I can suggest the following:


Camp-Fires on Desert and Lava, William T. Hornaday, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1908
New Trails in Mexico, Carl Lumholtz, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1912
The Sierra Pinacate, Julian D. Hayden,U of A Press, 1998



Post Edited (YukonBob) : 1/30/2004 5:45:42 AM GMT

[YukonBob]

Baja</div>



Irealize that you won't be able to declare your intentions for this trip until most of us are in Yuma, but if you could give me any advance notice about what to do with your purloined photo album, it would remove a level of complexity that complicates the complex. </div>
See you in Yumahttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif </div>

[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif Damn, as usual, I don't have an answer yet.

Regarding the album, I will get it from you when I see you in March (even if I do go on this trip).


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[Ursidae69]

I'm gointg to move my name back to the tentative list for this trip. For me to get to Yuma Friday night would require around a 13 hour drive on Friday for me. I also don't have a 2m radio yet. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shakehead.gif

As it gets closer I'll rethink it. I might be able to leave early on Thursday from work and drive half way or something.


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[GoodTimes]

Chuck, I am thinking about the whole sleep thing too. I don't think it will work for me because I would need to get back here on Sunday in order to get my sleep schedule straitened out for work on monday night.

So I think I will have to start a "alternate Prez. day weekend trip for non-brazilian types".http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif




olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[WhiteThaiGer]

Ursidae69 said...
I'm gointg to move my name back to the tentative list for this trip. For me to get to Yuma Friday night would require around a 13 hour drive on Friday for me. I also don't have a 2m radio yet. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shakehead.gif

As it gets closer I'll rethink it. I might be able to leave early on Thursday from work and drive half way or something. The radio should not be limiting you. There are CB's around and we can relay info that way.

13 hour drive - Talk to Jack about it, he used to do closer to 20h, if I remember correctly. Driving the first 3-4 on Thursday night would be a good way, if not the Brazilian way.


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[BajaXplorer]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gifIt sounds like a good first trip with this motley crew. If there are no objections, Amy and I would like to come along.
Michael

[AlWalter]

BajaXplorer said...
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gifIt sounds like a good first trip with this motley crew. If there are no objections, Amy and I would like to come along.
Michael
None whatsoever. We will love to have you.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[BajaTaco]

This is gonna be cool http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif Sharon said she would go http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif(disclaimer: the weather HAS to be good though http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif )

This will be a good opportunity to test out the new camper. The fridge will be packed with goodies too http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif And I will bring lots of film for the digital camera http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


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[BajaXplorer]

Yukon Bob,</div>
In your message above you mention a Yuma motel for $30. Which motel would that be, I like their rates.</div>

[AlWalter]

BajaXplorer said...

Yukon Bob,
In your message above you mention a Yuma motel for $30. Which motel would that be, I like their rates.


It's the Hacienda Motel on 4th Ave. 928-782-4316. It may be up to $32.00 for 2 people.


KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[WhiteThaiGer]

AlWalter said...



BajaXplorer said...

Yukon Bob,
In your message above you mention a Yuma motel for $30. Which motel would that be, I like their rates.


It's the Hacienda Motel on 4th Ave. 928-782-4316. It may be up to $32.00 for 2 people.

</div>It was more like $40 (total, incl. all taxes) last xmas for the 2 of us.


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[JackSilb]

> We'll leave Yuma on Saturday morning , February 15th, and head to El Golfo.

What Calendar are you using?
2/15 is a Sunday.

I can see that new people will join us.
I will let you know in advance if I can make it. Something like 30 or 40 min before we leave for Yuma.
Lets see if Georgia and the Kids will come along this time.

How about we plan some seafood cooking at night?

-JACK


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[YukonBob]

Looks like things are going along pretty smooth. Thanks Al. And everone should verify the Yuma motel rates when making their reservation. It's cheap for one a little more for two people</div>



First to those that are going.</div>



Welcome BajaXplorer. Some of the past threads to El Golfo might help you prepare for this one.</div>
Jack, you are ready to rock so I'm counting you in.</div>
Al, no question about you. </div>
Baja is onboard and so is Sharon because I know the weather will be good.</div>
Uwe and Srisuda haven't declared for sure but I expect you'll be there</div>
Solo Bob</div>



The Will-Let-You-Knows</div>



Ursidae69, Please don't let the lack of a two-meter hold you back. Although you do have a couple of weeks to get licensed and get one.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif </div>
Goodtimes, This is in your backyard. There's plenty of time for sleeping. You may kick yourself for missing this onehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/banghead.gif </div>

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]

YukonBob said...

.....Uwe and Srisuda haven't declared for sure but I expect you'll be there
Yes, we are planning on being there!


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[BajaTaco]

Cool! I am really looking forward to doing a first trip with Mr Xplorer and Amytoo. I really hope that Ursidae and GT can make it as well. (although I can sympathize with their very good reasons if they decide against it).


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[WhiteThaiGer]

BajaTaco said...
Cool! I am really looking forward to doing a first trip with Mr Xplorer and Amytoo. I really hope that Ursidae and GT can make it as well. (although I can sympathize with their very good reasons if they decide against it).Yea, he has quite a nice Taco, was real easy to identify at our chance encounter in Blythe Thanksgiving.

Ursidae/GT your reservations don't have anything to do with all the Toyotas...? Come and support the lonley non-Toyota, well, at least he's whitehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif



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[YukonPeggy]

Wow, Sharon is really going on the trip??? Sharon, Amy, Srisuda, Georgia... okay, if Anita goes - I'm in too.




Good friends are like stars... You don't always see them, but you always know they're there.

[BajaTaco]

Hey! I meant to comment on that "solo Bob" thing! What gives?? You don't like us any more?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif

I really think we need to apply some peer pressure to YukonPeggy and MrsS folks... who's with me??

All in favor say AYE!


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[JackSilb]

> Solo Bob
No way. Peggy is part of Bob. Bob without Peggy is not Yukon Bob.
I definitively have comp time at work. It is adding up. I need to use it before people forget.
This weekend will add some more days to my list.

I will save my vacation time for the 12/04 trip.

- JACK
</div>


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
http://www.4wdtrips.net

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]

JackSilb said...
> Solo Bob
No way. Peggy is part of Bob. Bob without Peggy is not Yukon Bob.
I definitively have comp time at work. It is adding up. I need to use it before people forget.
This weekend will add some more days to my list.

I will save my vacation time for the 12/04 trip.

</div>Same here, I am accumulating some comp time, but since it's not really tracked it should be used while it's fresh in memory http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif . This weekend will be busy too.


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[YukonPeggy]

BajaTaco said...
Hey! I meant to comment on that "solo Bob" thing! What gives?? You don't like us any more?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


I really think we need to apply some peer pressure to YukonPeggy and MrsS folks... who's with me??
I like all of you mucho but its up to Anita if I go or stay... Are we going Anita?




Good friends are like stars... You don't always see them, but you always know they're there.

[JackSilb]

Anita, lets go. We will have great fresh sea food at night!
-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
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[Ursidae69]

WhiteThaiGer said...
Ursidae/GT your reservations don't have anything to do with all the Toyotas...? Come and support the lonley non-Toyota, well, at least he's whitehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I don't mind Toyotas, not everyone can be cool like me and drive a GMC.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ieh.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

I'm still considering it, it's mostly the long drive to Yuma I'm debating. I might be able to get off work early on Thursday and drive out to Gallup and then drive the rest of the way to Yuma on Friday, stopping in Phx to drop off my dog with family. My lil girl isn'ta trail dog. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif


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http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290567759
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[WhiteThaiGer]

Ursidae69 said...

[quote]....
I'm still considering it, it's mostly the long drive to Yuma I'm debating. I might be able to get off work early on Thursday and drive out to Gallup and then drive the rest of the way to Yuma on Friday, stopping in Phx to drop off my dog with family. My lil girl isn'ta trail dog. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif Let me see, when we go to ABQ from here through Yuma it takes us 12.5-13 hours.With the 4Runner we don't drive faster than 70-75mph.From here to Yuma is 3h, that leaves 9.5-10h ABQ-Yuma, Pojoaque is about an hour north of ABQ with that 'express way' around the Santa Fe, right?. So I tink it should be closer to 11h than 13h. If the dog requires frequent stops however... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif


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[YukonBob]

Jack said...
> We'll leave Yuma on Saturday morning , February 15th, and head to El Golfo.

What Calendar are you using?
2/15 is a Sunday.
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif Must have been my Brazilian Calendar. Sorryhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif . It's be corrected to the 14th.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hitting.gif But I am glad to see that you are paying attention.

[JackSilb]

Hey, I need all the minutes that I can get. But if I am one day off, I can not recover.
-JACK


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[MrsS]

YukonPeggy said...



BajaTaco said...
Hey! I meant to comment on that "solo Bob" thing! What gives?? You don't like us any more?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


I really think we need to apply some peer pressure to YukonPeggy and MrsS folks... who's with me??
I like all of you mucho but its up to Anita if I go or stay... Are we going Anita?
</div>Hi Peggy:

Sorry - MrS works that weekend so we won't be there. We'll be at the party though. Why aren't you going?
MrsShttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[GoodTimes]

Well, it looks like I will be in the same boat as 007 now. One of the guys is taking vacation and they need me to cover. Not 100% sure yet, will know more next week when I go back to work.


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[YukonPeggy]

Anita is not going - so I'm not going!</div>


Anita said...
Why aren't you going?
MrsShttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif Okay, I hurt my neckhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif and I need to let it heal a little more before I get back on thehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif road. OtherwiseI would definitely be on this trip. It looks like there might be some Moabhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif runs and I want to be ready. Glad to know you are coming to the party - I'll be all better by then. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

As for everyone going on the trip, take lots of pics to share and have a super time,

Peggy




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[Ursidae69]

WhiteThaiGer said...



Ursidae69 said...

[quote]....
I'm still considering it, it's mostly the long drive to Yuma I'm debating. I might be able to get off work early on Thursday and drive out to Gallup and then drive the rest of the way to Yuma on Friday, stopping in Phx to drop off my dog with family. My lil girl isn'ta trail dog. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif Let me see, when we go to ABQ from here through Yuma it takes us 12.5-13 hours.With the 4Runner we don't drive faster than 70-75mph.From here to Yuma is 3h, that leaves 9.5-10h ABQ-Yuma, Pojoaque is about an hour north of ABQ with that 'express way' around the Santa Fe, right?. So I tink it should be closer to 11h than 13h. If the dog requires frequent stops however... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif
</div>

I'm impressed with you knowledge of my area. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif Not many folks can pronounce, much less spell the little place I live, Pojoaque. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif To get my family's house in N. Phx from here is about 8 hours thanks to doggie stops every couple hours. Then, another 3+ to Yuma.

This is looking more doable. Especially the more I look at the old El Golfo pics. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif


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125k and still running strong...
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Please Tread Lightly: http://www.treadlightly.org/

[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry.gif Peggy, we will miss you http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shakehead.gif Dang, and you speak the best spanish of all of us. I hope your neck heals up soooooper fast. We will take good care of your foco.


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[BajaTaco]

For those of us who have not done this route, could we please get a re-cap on the necessary items for this trip such as auxiliary fuel, any equipment of particular interest, and what about paperwork? My guess is since we are doing Sonora, we can do the "Sonora Only" ticket. Of course we will need mexican auto insurance.
Anyway, let us know. Thanks http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif
One more important thing... I am thinking the nights will be cool enough to partake in the now-famous "foy-ahtz-ong-an-bowla"http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gifI have a fresh bottle of 151. Could double as octane booster if necessary. Uwe?
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[WhiteThaiGer]

BajaTaco said...

For those of us who have not done this route, could we please get a re-cap on the necessary items for this trip such as auxiliary fuel, any equipment of particular interest, and what about paperwork? My guess is since we are doing Sonora, we can do the "Sonora Only" ticket. Of course we will need mexican auto insurance.
Anyway, let us know. Thanks http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif
One more important thing... I am thinking the nights will be cool enough to partake in the now-famous "foy-ahtz-ong-an-bowla"http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gifI have a fresh bottle of 151. Could double as octane booster if necessary. Uwe?

</div>For the last trip we got car insurance and carried extra fuel. No Tourist cards. But I'll let Al and Bob give the definite answers here http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif Feuerzangenbowlehttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gifI also have a bottle of 151, a bottle of that stuff also seems to be part of Al's standard equipment now.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif Let's get a count and see how many people we are, i.e. people who'll have some, so that we see how many bottles of red wine we need. I'll check if we have sugar cones, if not we'll have to get some other type of sugar. From previous experience I'd say we need about a bottle of red wine per person http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif Warning: prepare you truck/tent for sleeping before enjoying the stuff!</div>


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[JackSilb]

> It looks like there might be some Moab runs and I want to be ready.

Hi Peggy, what Moab runs? I do want to go back there and do more exploration.
It takes a while to get there. So we will need almost a week to make it right?

-JACK


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[GoodTimes]

Al, I was talking with Bob about this trip over some http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif and some http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/burger.gif a couple hours ago (thanks again Bob and Peggy! Good seeing you two again!). Are you still thinking about coming back on Sunday?


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Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

GT, I think you better talk to Chuck too... I think he might be deciding to take the plunge and go http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif C'mon, it would be a perfect opportunity for us to get some material for new dancing .gif's to post at ZR2.com http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif We need one of you and chuck dancing together http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif


http://www.bajataco.com

[GoodTimes]

BajaTaco said...
GT, I think you better talk to Chuck too... I think he might be deciding to take the plunge and go http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif C'mon, it would be a perfect opportunity for us to get some material for new dancing .gif's to post at ZR2.com http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif We need one of you and chuck dancing together http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif
</div>No. I will not be dancing with chuck.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/nono.gif

Chuck can dance with himself. I'll be sure that the dog keeps her distance from him though. Don't need chuck dancing with my dog. I'm trying to instill some sort of standards in her.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

Chuck and I are still talking about what to do. If we don't go on this, then we will probably go somewhere in SoAZ. Like I told Bob and Peggy last night, my concern is getting back with enough time to get some sleep before work monday night. Y'all know I need my sleep to function, particularly if I have to work a 12 hour night shift.

So the long and short of it is that if I can be back here Sunday night (even if it is in the wee hours of Monday morning), then I will probably go.


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[4RunnerDave]

I've been following the discussion on this trip and it sure looks like fun. I was down there last November and it is really a great area. I have wanted to go again!

I have to decide whether I dump the plans I already had for that weekend and join up with you all. I am thinking that I would much rather do this trip than what I had planned.

I need to give some serious thought before I commit, but I just thought I would mention the possibility.

Dave

Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[Ursidae69]

BajaTaco said...
GT, I think you better talk to Chuck too... I think he might be deciding to take the plunge and go http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif C'mon, it would be a perfect opportunity for us to get some material for new dancing .gif's to post at ZR2.com http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif We need one of you and chuck dancing together http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif
</div> Brian is a cool guy and all, but I wouldn'tbring that much alcohol to want to dance with him! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ieh.gif Don't make me go find your dancing .gif Chris. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/turn.gif

I'm really flip-flopping on this trip. Maybe I can find a co-pilot, I'd like to not spend a whole lot of money since I'm going to Baja in March. I hate decisions...




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[BajaTaco]

Yea, I know guys... decision making is a PITA sometimes. I have already missed this trip like four times now... and I am not missing it again!

Dave! C'mon man, don't make us beg... We need all the white Toyotas we can get http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif


http://www.bajataco.com

[WhiteThaiGer]

BajaTaco said...

...Dave! C'mon man, don't make us beg... We need all the white Toyotas we can get http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif
</div>
That and this other thing you have planned, do they serve http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif Feuerzangenbowle http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif here?? [Note for supply list, add a couple of bottles if red wine if Dave comes, he loves the drinkhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif ]


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[4RunnerDave]

Yes I do like that Frugenholic, Uwe! I know I always give it the wrong name, but I still like it! And no, they don't serve it there (Dumont Dunes). So, that is on the plus side for this trip. The only reason that I'm not already signed up with you all, is I sorta commited to the other. I will have to be creative to get out of it. Maybe if I told them that they need my white Toyota, huh Baja.


Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[GoodTimes]

Just tell 'em that you found a trip that serves better booze.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif Dave, just tell them that this bunch of people are kinda disillusioned into thinking that they are some kind of macho 4wd adventuretrippers that can go anywhere, but in reality you would feel bad if these idiots got lost out in the sand somewhere between El Golfo and Rocky Point, so you feel obligated to come along with your common sense and sat. phonesoyou can keep an eye onus. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


http://www.bajataco.com

[AlWalter]

GoodTimes said...
Al, I was talking with Bob about this trip over some http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif and some http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/burger.gif a couple hours ago (thanks again Bob and Peggy! Good seeing you two again!). Are you still thinking about coming back on Sunday?
</div>No, I'm able to take Monday off, so Sunday will beSierraPinacate time. If anybody needs to depart Sunday, It's easy to do.

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[BajaXplorer]

Checked with the Hacienda and a room is $56 plus tax for $63 total. All they have left are rooms with two queen beds. We are considering leaving home early Saturday morning to save that money for car parts (or beer). Also considering pitching our tent Friday night near Yuma. What time will this dog and pony show hit the road? I assume you will have breakfast prior to departure, we could meet you there. We are in Mesa, only a 3 hour drive away.
Michael

[BajaTaco]

Yea, I'm with you - finding a flat spot to park and sleep for Friday night near Yuma sounds good. $63 for truck mods sounds goodhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif Ialso have a friend in San Luis, maybe I'll call him and see if I can park in his driveway.


http://www.bajataco.com

[WhiteThaiGer]

Wow, prices have gone up. I yet have to look into it. We are only 3h from Yuma also, even though I'd rather not add that driving on Friday. We also need mod (need that welder from Yotatech here) &amp; beer moneyhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif


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[Ursidae69]

If anyone is into birds like I am, this trip would be a good opportunity to get some cool species. The yearly Great Backyard Bird Count is taking place the 13th - 16th. http://www.birdsource.org/gbbc/
I have participated the last couple years. Mexico isn't really our backyard per se, but I doubt they will mind, they like all the data they can get.

Anyway, I'm still not certain if I am going on this trip. If I do, I'll be one of the ones that will drive in Saturday morning as I would likely stay and visit my mom in Phoenix that Friday.


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[WhiteThaiGer]

Ursidae69 said......
....

Anyway, I'm still not certain if I am going on this trip. If I do, I'll be one of the ones that will drive in Saturday morning as I would likely stay and visit my mom in Phoenix that Friday.
</div>

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[AlWalter]

I'm also coming in early Saturday.

Are we departing Yuma PST or MST?

Where will we meet for breakfast, Brownies or the place across the street (I forgot the name)?

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[AlWalter]

Ursidae69 said...
If anyone is into birds like I am, this trip would be a good opportunity to get some cool species. The yearly Great Backyard Bird Count is taking place the 13th - 16th. http://www.birdsource.org/gbbc/
I have participated the last couple years. Mexico isn't really our backyard per se, but I doubt they will mind, they like all the data they can get.
FYI. There usually are large flocks of gulls, terns, brown pelicans, cormorants, along with great blue herons, egrets, skimmers, shore birdsetc on thebeach drive south of El Golfo.

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[4RunnerDave]

OK, I tell the other people that I have a bunch of loser friends that can't find their way around, they need my help, and have offered to ply me with better booze if I go! Do I have that right?
I think that sounds pretty good.

Why are the rooms at the Hacienda so expensive now? Maybe it is the time of year, not as hot, so they can get better prices. Well, if I go, I will probably part with the $ at the Hacienda so I can go to Fat Harvey's on Friday evening! And I wouldn't have a 4 hour drive Saturday morning.

Dave


Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[YukonBob]

I continue to be amazed at the interest in this trip. I'm really going to have to give the PR guy a raise. Of course, I've been on variations of the trip several times since last July and I wouldn't miss it.</div>



I'm not surprised that the Hacienda is getting more for their rooms, although I've never paid more than $30 for a single. He did tell me that his season was from February on. Good for him, because I don't know how they survive at $30 a room. I've never made a reservation but it sounds like I need to make one. Fat Harvey's is always a fun part of these trips. </div>



It could also be time to initiate part two of these trips. That would be staying in San Luis Rio Colorado, Sonora. That takes a little planningand thought and I'm not sure that I'm ready for it yet. Baja, can you help with rooms in Mexico? A Fat Harvey's type of meeting place in Mexico would be great. (Which means any place that will have us)</div>



Let's make the meeting time in Yuma on Saturday at 9AM Arizona Time (MST) and if we meet in Mexico we'll push it back to 10AM because it takes about an hour to get from Yuma to San Luis. I'll give more information on the meeting time and place after we get some feedback.</div>

[JackSilb]

BajaXplorer said...
Checked with the Hacienda and a room is $56 plus tax for $63 total. All they have left are rooms with two queen beds. We are considering leaving home early Saturday morning to save that money for car parts (or beer). Also considering pitching our tent Friday night near Yuma. What time will this dog and pony show hit the road? I assume you will have breakfast prior to departure, we could meet you there. We are in Mesa, only a 3 hour drive away.
MichaelOh, do we need reservations?

That will make my Logisitc more complex. I am in trouble.

-JACK



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[WhiteThaiGer]

JackSilb said...

Oh, do we need reservations?
I thought you wanted to keep your citizenship. Getting there hours before the trip, let alone the day before http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif would be against all the rules!


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[JackSilb]

Lets continue to talk about the time and location. I just need to know it 30 min before I break the news to my crew, that is usually 1 hour before we leave. That way, there is less chances for them to find an excuse for not making it.
Is Monday a holiday? I have comp time anyway. Just to know.

-JACK


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[JackSilb]

> I thought you wanted to keep your citizenship. Getting there hours before the trip, let alone the day before would be against all the rules!

You are correct. Can't change much, if not you will find out that I was cloned and improved.
So you and Al are doing the morning drive?

-JACK


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[YukonBob]

Baja said...

For those of us who have not done this route, could we please get a re-cap on the necessary items for this trip such as auxiliary fuel, any equipment of particular interest, and what about paperwork? My guess is since we are doing Sonora, we can do the "Sonora Only" ticket. Of course we will need mexican auto insurance.
Anyway, let us know. Thanks http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif It would be good if everyone carries ten gallons of extra fuel so you are covered.

You do not need a a permit to import your vehicle for this trip. So Sonora only is not needed. Both your tourist card and vehicle card from October are still valid. Unforunately, you don't need either one for this trip. This trip will be in a tourist free of cost zone.

Mexican Auto Insurance is always needed south of the border. See other threads if you need help.

[BajaXplorer]

I have to ask, Is ten gallons of extra fuel necessary? Will five not do? I'm assuming the last chance to gas up would be in El Golfo or south of San Luis somewhwere. What distances did previous trips experience over this route? I suppose that some of the money saved on the motel could be used for a second gas can.

[AlWalter]

BajaXplorer said...
I have to ask, Is ten gallons of extra fuel necessary? Will five not do? I'm assuming the last chance to gas up would be in El Golfo or south of San Luis somewhwere. What distances did previous trips experience over this route? I suppose that some of the money saved on the motel could be used for a second gas can.Our last time thru that area, I only had an extra 5 gal. &amp; only plan to bring 5 gal. again this time. If we go into El Golfo, we can top off there or as you said south of San Luis if we cut off to parallel the railroad before El Golfo. Our leader may want to clarify his intended route.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[YukonBob]

Al said...
may want to clarify his intended routeI'll clarify as much as I know. We'll head south to El Golfo and gas. We'll take the beach out to the salt pond road and head to the railroad tracks. We'll start looking for roads into the Sierra Pinacate from the railroad tracks. I know of two possibilities and there might be others. Our goal is to explore these roads and see where they go. If they don't go anywhere we'll be close to Rocky Point for our entry to Sick Springs Road. From Sick Springs Road we have some more roads to explore and see where they go. We'll exit somewhere on Highway 2 between San Luis and Lukeville. This is an exploration and there are many unknowns. I wouldn't count on any gas after leaving El Golfo.




BajaXplorer said...

Is ten gallons of extra fuel necessary? Will five not do?Here's why I recommend ten gallons. Because I don't know how much we'll need. At some point, we'll probably have to make a decision based on the need for gas. We did last trip. The longer we delay that decision, the more roads we can explore.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif


How much extra gas to bring is an individual decision.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif But I think it should spark some discussion on the forum about the range of different vehicles and drivers.


Which provides a segue to the soapbox. This is for all participants.


This trip will be in remote areas with no facilities. Many of the roads and paths are unknown to me or others on the trip and there is an element of danger involved. You are responsible for your own survival and comfort. Please take everything that your vehicle and occupants will need. People on the forum can help you decide but the decision and the responsibility for that decision is yours.


Guns and drugs can get you in a lot of trouble in Mexico. Don't bring them.

I'm off the box.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif

[Ursidae69]

Sorry to report that I have decided to save my resources and money for my Baja trip in March. I wish everyone a safe and fun trip, please take lots of pics. I was looking forward to meeting folks from this board, but there is always next time. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif

Chuck...



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[expeditionswest]

If Bob will have us, Doron/Abbey and Stephanie/Me would like to attend the trip. I had a last minute schedule change that will make it possible. It would be nice to meet those of you we have not been on a trip with yet!

We will drive to Yuma in the morning (about a 2 hour drive from my house) on Saturday. We will get there early for breakfast, etc.

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

YukonBob said...


Baja, can you help with rooms in Mexico? A Fat Harvey's type of meeting place in Mexico would be great. (Which means any place that will have us)


Let's make the meeting time in Yuma on Saturday at 9AM Arizona Time (MST)...

Bob, sorry I did not respond sooner, but I have been away all week. I think we should probably just keep the meeting time of 9 a.m MST is Yuma on Saturday morning. BUT, I need to clarify - is that 9 a.m. time for departure, or for breakfast?

You mentioned rooms in Mexico. Did you mean for Friday night? Again, I think meeting in Yuma on Sat. morning is best. Saturday night we will be camping, correct? I hope so http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Also - regarding the route - we are doing some beach travel, no? Beach camping? (on the way to the inland road part of the trip?) I guess I should have asked this a long time ago.

I agree that the more gas we can carry, the better.

Dave! I am glad that you made the decision to go with us http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

Chuuuuck!! Awww man, I am bummed. But I can definitely understand, and hopefully we will get to see you another trip soon.

Scott!! Hey, glad to hear that you all will make it! WOOHOO!! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif

GT, did you make a decision yet? Let us know... (drum roll...)

Did I forget anyone?


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[JackSilb]

I will probably come alone. Pedro is still recovering from his injure. The others found an excuse to take care of Pedro. I am still on.

-JACK
</div>


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[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif Wow, there are going to be FOUR white Tacomas on this trip http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif (and seven white Toyotas all together). http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif


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[expeditionswest]

I am not going to fit in at all with my silver Isuzu http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif (where are those paint cans...)

I will have COLOR and BRAND envyhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/turn.gif . I guess I could bring my white Discovery, but it would probably just give uphttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif and break downhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/gottogo.gifhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/skull.gif upon see all of those Toyota's, before we even cross the borderhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif


My trailer is white, does that count?

Scott Brady
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[JackSilb]

White trailer is good. We will accept that as your pass.

-JACK


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[YukonBob]

Baja said...
Bob, sorry I did not respond sooner, but I have been away all week. I think we should probably just keep the meeting time of 9 a.m MST is Yuma on Saturday morning. BUT, I need to clarify - is that 9 a.m. time for departure, or for breakfast?


You mentioned rooms in Mexico. Did you mean for Friday night? Again, I think meeting in Yuma on Sat. morning is best. Saturday night we will be camping, correct? I hope so http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Also - regarding the route - we are doing some beach travel, no? Beach camping? (on the way to the inland road part of the trip?) I guess I should have asked this a long time ago.We'll be leaving Yuma at 9AM on Saturday. Please have a full tank of gas and your Mexican insurance before we go. We'll depart from the parking lot of Angel's Restaurant, 880 S. 4th Avenue, Yuma (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&amp;countryid=250&amp;addtohistory=&amp;add ress=880+s.+4th+avenue&amp;city=yuma&amp;state=az&amp;zipcode= 95364&amp;submit=Get+Map),928.329.4394 promtly at 9AM.

This is phase four of the El Golfo/Sierra Pinacate Explorations. We may be close to beach camping on Saturday night, can't say for sure. We will drive the 35 miles of beach from El Golfo to where we turn north to Altar Desert. The beach isn't the focus of this part but can't tell what we'll find. We'll be close to the Bajia de Adair all the way to Rocky Point, unless we find a short cut.Saturday and Sunday are both camping.




Scott said...
If Bob will have us, Doron/Abbey and Stephanie/Me would like to attend the trip

Great to have you along. Let's tally who will be there:

Baja and Sharon
Uwe and Srisuda
BajaXplorer and Amy
Jack
Al
Bob
Doron and Abby
Scott and Stephanie

Might shows:

Dave
Good Times

Is anybody interesting in extending the trip by a day? Just looking for positive responses.

[YukonBob]

I need to get a handle on the radio communication situation. I know about everyone except Doron, Scott, and BajaXplorer. You guys have CB or two-meter?

[BajaTaco]

Thanks for the info Bob. Another question - should we bring a little bit of fire wood?


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[expeditionswest]

Bob,

Thanks for allowing us to tag along!

Doron and I have FRS radio's. I can hook up a CB if required. Can you guys with 2 meters transmit/receive on the FRS bands? Can I buy a radio and use it in Mex without the license??? If yes, what bands/type do I need?

Scott

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[BajaXplorer]

We will arrive atAngel's restaurant in time to eat before departure. </div>
Having seen no other info on the subject, we assume meal planning is done on an indiviual basis.</div>
Bob, truck has 2 meter (IC-V8000). Will also have my HT (IC-W32A)which Scott can use for trip.</div>
Also have expanded extra fuel to 10 gals.</div>
Scott, ham radio operation in MX, we are not legal w/o the proper paperwork. I have never considered it a necessity. Two meter (VHF) radios cannot talk to FRS (UHF). FRS is in the 70cM band (462.56--). My HT is a dual band (2m &amp; 70 cm) and has TX mod, so should be able to do the FRS freqs (although, I have not tried it). </div>
Baja, we are bringing a few firelogs for ambiance (LOL).</div>
BXhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif </div>

[BajaTaco]

Sounds like BX is ready to rock http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif 2-meter... WOOOHOOO!

Yea, I think I will bring some firewood too. If we all bring a little bit, it will ensure we have some flame-age since I imagine wood is scarce.


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[dstrass]

Bob,
I have FSR and CB. I don't know of I'll have time to buy and install a 2 meter radio. Is this a problem?
Doron

[expeditionswest]

I am going to buy a handheld tomorrow (unless you guys think that a handheld is a mistake). I posted my questions/ideas on the HAM thread.

Scott Brady
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[YukonBob]

Doron

It's no more of a problem than it was on trip over New Years. Maybe Jack can help?

Scott

I think BajaXplorer has given a you a real nice overview of the radio situation in this thread and the other. I don't think you'll be happy with the handheld. BajaExplorer has made a generous offer to let you use his handheld. I think you should take him up on the offer for this trip. You should be able to hear a lot of what's going on and someone should always be close enough to you to you'll be able to transmit to one of us. You'll have a good opportunity to see if you like it.

So for this trip if both of you canborrow radios from others that will be on the trip, we'll call it an all two-meter trip and cut down on the confusion that occurs with multiple bands. We'll use 4WD 01.

Firewood

Let's bring some firewood.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif


Meals

Everyone is on their own for meals. After Saturday breakfast, we probably won't be near any facilities for eating. Be flexible with your lunch preparations. Have something that you can eat on the go.

[JackSilb]

> It's no more of a problem than it was on trip over New Years. Maybe Jack can help?

I can help. I have two radios that friends can rent for a coke or some chocolates.

-JACK
p.s. Just have one 12V adapter. You guys will need to alternate.
p.s.2 let me check on Scott's question on the Ham Radio Thread.


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[WhiteThaiGer]

Just noticed that this time we'll use AZ time http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif . That's no good for driving from home, maybe we'll have to come out on Friday night after all.


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WhiteThaiGer said...
Just noticed that this time we'll use AZ time http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif . That's no good for driving from home, maybe we'll have to come out on Friday night after all.
</div>Don't you have an alarm clock, http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/sleeping.gifor is it that you can't reset it?http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[WhiteThaiGer]

AlWalter said...



WhiteThaiGer said...
Just noticed that this time we'll use AZ time http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif . That's no good for driving from home, maybe we'll have to come out on Friday night after all.
Don't you have an alarm clock, http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/sleeping.gifor is it that you can't reset it?http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gifYeah, I don't know if it can be set to anything before 5am. Hasn't been done before http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif
It's easy for you, this time fit's your regular sleep schedule.
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News Bulletin

I have a good friend named Wes (http://www.bajataco.com/Bradshaws/L_Bradshaws_WesMap.jpg) who will be joining us on the trip. He's driving a VW vanagon Syncro 4wd. This rig is really cool, I'm sure you all will enjoy taking a tour of the vehicle and meeting the driver. I have invited him to the forum, but not sure if he will have time to stop in before the trip.

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif

Jack, it sounds like you have 2 HT's, and BX has one. There will be (possibly) 3 drivers without 2-meter (Scott, Doron, Wes), so maybe we could let Wes use one of them? (For a coke or some chocolates of course...)
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Post Edited (BajaTaco) : 2/10/2004 5:16:35 PM GMT

[expeditionswest]

Doron and I are set for radio's! I just picked up two Yeasu FT-2800M's and required accessories. I still don't have a white Toyota though... :)

I will add some more comments on the radios later in the HAM forum.

Scott Brady
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[BajaTaco]

Excellent!! Now you need to tap that obscure brazilian blood... deep in your veins... only days left to install... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


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[JackSilb]

> Jack, it sounds like you have 2 HT's, and BX has one. There will be (possibly) 3 drivers without 2-meter (Scott, Doron, Wes),
> so maybe we could let Wes use one of them? (For a coke or some chocolates of course...)


No problem.
-JACK


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[JackSilb]

Doron was all busy on the phone cutting wires and routing the cables. From Scott pictures on his mod Thread he is busy too.
These guys are probably for some place close to Brazil. Isn't Israel in South America? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/blush.gif
-JACK

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[BajaXplorer]

While searching the internet for more info on the Desierto de Altar, Bahia de Adair andDesierto delPinacate, I acme across this website which has some very interesting stories of a couples travel experiences in the area over forty years. Perhaps some of you are familiar with the site, just thought I would share it in case you were not.</div>
http://www.cortezchronicles.com/chronicle_index.html</div>

[AlWalter]

Dave can be deleted from the 'might go' list. He is a definite no go.

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry.gif Dang, and I thought he was a definite - with the promise of premium booze and all...


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[AlWalter]

He had a guilty conscience about backing out of his original commitment.

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[JackSilb]

BajaX, nice.
I need to get to read them all.
Thanks for sharing it with us.

-JACK


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[BajaTaco]

Scott Brady said...

While traveling in Mexico, we often encounter gas stations that only have the Magna grade of fuel (like El Golfo de Santa Clara). This fuel varies around 84 octane. I found this great little product from Outlaw that has 4 small octane boost bottles in it. Each 3.5oz can treats 20 gallons of fuel, raising the octane rating by 2. It is $9 a box. I bought mine from Autozone




Magna fuel? As in "leaded"? (blue pumps) I think maybe you mean Magna Sin (unleaded - green pumps) which is probably a coupla points below our 87 octane stuff?
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[expeditionswest]

I thought they were all Magna (unleaded), I have never seen the blue, pumps. Thanks for the info!

Scott Brady
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[YukonBob]

BajaXplorer, thanks for the link. It's too much for me to digest before this trip but think there could be ideas for future trips.</div>



Ok, I'll say something about gas. Peggy says I should be an expert.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cry.gif </div>



The leaded gas in Mexico was called Nova. The pumps were blue. It cause a lot of cars to ping and behave badly because of it's poor octane ratings (about 81). Nova is no longer sold in Mexico. Magna Sin (without) Plomo (lead)was Mexico's first unleaded gas. It was called Magna Sin and now it's just called Magna and the color coding is green. It's rated at 87 octane and I haven't had any problems with it. The premium gas is called Premium and is rated at 93 octane. It's color coded red.</div>



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[WhiteThaiGer]

How many wine drinkers do we have? We need to plan on how much red wine to bring for the Feuerzangenbowle. A cheap, dry red wine will work, we'll enhance it with the spices, sugar and the 151.</div>
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[AlWalter]

WhiteThaiGer said...

What are the regulations on bringing alcohol to Mexico?

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Have never had this question asked before. Even at secondary inspection, this never came up, whether on a camping trip or an RV trip with full cupboards.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

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Always ready to go.

[JackSilb]

Uwe,

What can we bring to help?
Some cheese? Which ones to get?

How about I bring that fondue setup?
Please send me the information on where to buy the delicious boxes you brought last time.


-JACK


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[BajaXplorer]

Uwe,</div>
We have two bottles of dry, red wine (Valpolicella) to contribute to the concoction you brew. Can we bring any other ingredients?</div>
BX</div>

[WhiteThaiGer]

Jack,</div>
You are talking about fondue! We hadn't planned that.</div>
We only planned for Feuerzangenbowle, that's the drink where we mix red wine with spices and then carmelize the sugar coneinto it.The burning rum does the carmelizing.</div>
BX,</div>
As you already said, we make a brew out of it, so I suppose its not expensive wine. We usually get something inexpensive, since the spices, sugar and rum 'ruin' a good wine http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif, but it's a good drink, the 2 times we did it with this group we didn't have enough http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif </div>


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Uwe, I will snag a couple of bottles of dry red and bring them too. I don't want to risk a shortage http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ALSO - very important - I need to know if I should bring my Bacardi 151 for the flame or not. I don't want to bring it if it will not get used, since I will have to bring it back across the border.

Is it time to leave yet?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif



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[BajaTaco]

On the last Mexico trip we did, the question came up as to what fruits/vegetables were allowed back into the U.S. You can findTHE CURRENT LIST HERE (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/fsheet_faq_notice/notice_mexbor.html)if you scroll down the page a bit.


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Post Edited (BajaTaco) : 2/13/2004 5:33:37 AM GMT

[JackSilb]

> You are talking about fondue! We hadn't planned that.

No kidding?!
-JACK


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Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...
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[BajaXplorer]

Having not used the San Luis crossing for many years, I have a question of those who have. When given the red light for inspection have any of you been hassled for bringing extra gas across. I never have been at Algodones or Tecate, but many people I know have been turned back at Tijuana. I usually take empty cans across at TJ and Mexicali and fill them on the other side.

[expeditionswest]

I am ready for some adventure! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif and some Feuerzangenbowle http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif </div>
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[AlWalter]

BajaTaco said...
Uwe, I will snag a couple of bottles of dry red and bring them too. I don't want to risk a shortage http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ALSO - very important - I need to know if I should bring my Bacardi 151 for the flame or not. I don't want to bring it if it will not get used, since I will have to bring it back across the border.

Is it time to leave yet?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif

</div>I've already got my bottle packed. It's still just under 1/2 full.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[AlWalter]

BajaXplorer said...
Having not used the San Luis crossing for many years, I have a question of those who have. When given the red light for inspection have any of you been hassled for bringing extra gas across. I never have been at Algodones or Tecate, but many people I know have been turned back at Tijuana. I usually take empty cans across at TJ and Mexicali and fill them on the other side.

I've always brought 1 or 2 containers across over the past 25 years &amp; haven't been questioned yet (San Ysidro, Otay, Tecate, Algodones, Mexicali, San Luis). Maybe just good (dumb) luck.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[BajaXplorer]

Thanks Al, guess I had a small case of "why wait to worry." I'm better now.

[WhiteThaiGer]

Guess we'll be 14 people of those I think 8 will more than just try the Feuerzangenbowle, so I think we should probably have 8 bottles of wine (it's allways better to have too much, the stuff can be saved and warmed up anytime).
Feuerzangenbowle ingredients and who brings what:

spices, sugar, pot, special'tools'- WhiteThaiGer

rum 151 - Al

2 btls dry red wine - BX

2 btls dry red wine - Baja

4 (?) btls of dry red wine - WhiteThaiGer.

The infos I found say one person can bring 1l - 3l of wine or liqor to Mexico. So even if the lower is true we'll be way below the limit (unless any of you carry loads of additional stuff), just might want o spread the bottles.





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I'll bring a couple bottles of red wine. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/gottogo.gif

[BajaTaco]

Al, thanks for bringing the rocket fuel http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

Uwe, I will pick up 3 bottles instead of 2. And Bob said he'll being 2, so that leaves only 1 bottle for you to bring.

THANKS!

I still don't have the roof rack on... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif If I am so brazilian, why can't I get a nice tan?


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[WhiteThaiGer]

Can't find the freq we are using, I think we need to start putting that into the first post again.</div>
Anyway, I just wanted to remind Al and Jack to have their radios on for the drive to Yuma. We all will be on the same roads at about the same time, maybe we can help wake each other up, i.e. Al can wake us up.</div>
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[BajaTaco]

For those who don't know our system yet, 4WD1 is 146.430

If for any reason we have to switch to CB radio on this trip - use Channel 4 as the default channel.


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[AlWalter]

Uwe & Jack,
Don't forget passports!

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

[YukonBob]

Uwe said...
I just wanted to remind Al and Jack to have their radios on for the drive to Yuma. We all will be on the same roads at about the same time, maybe we can help wake each other up, i.e. Al can wake us up.

Al is leaving in the morning and Jack is leaving tonight. I just don't know when you are leavinghttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

And the frequency is 4WD01.

[YukonBob]

Hacienda Motel is full this evening so I'm not sure where I'll be staying. I don't think anyone else is staying in Yuma tonight except Jack so it shouldn't make much difference. He doesn't have a place to stay either.</div>

[WhiteThaiGer]

YukonBob said...



Uwe said...
I just wanted to remind Al and Jack to have their radios on for the drive to Yuma. We all will be on the same roads at about the same time, maybe we can help wake each other up, i.e. Al can wake us up.

Al is leaving in the morning and Jack is leaving tonight. I just don't know when you are leavinghttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

And the frequency is 4WD01.
Oh, I thought Jack was leaving in the morning also. What's his nationality? I am confused nowhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif We'll go brazilian, i.e. in the morning http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif


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[expeditionswest]

Hey everyone!

I just wanted to send a quick note on the trailer, to let you know that everything is fine.

Making the right onto MEX2 there was an abrupt curb. The combination of the turn and my slow speed allowed the trailer to pop over the curb androll over, and drag on the top for a few feet.

The swivel hitch made righting the trailer easy (using Doron's winch), and caused no damage to the draw bar, or coupler. The only significant damage was to the front rack (one of those hitch-haul receiver racks), which took 95% of the impact and worked as an outrigger as the trailer rolled over. The 1/4" aluminum supports on the top of the trailer got a little road rash (they are taller than the tent material. I am totally amazed that NO structural or tent damage occurred. The vinyl top was slightly damaged, but I actually have another one in the garage (the luck!)

Even this little event couldn't even slightly curb my absolute LOVE for that trip! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif

A special thanks to Chris and Doron for their help. The team effort got the trailer off of the road in very little time. Here are a few pictures that show the little trailer that could, a few minutes ago, just fine in the garage, and a picture of the rackthat saved it. Enough for now.

Scott Brady
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[YukonBob]

I'm locking the pretrip thread and let's move the conversation to February 2004 Pinacate thread.</div>
Scott gave us something to start the conversation.</div>