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JackSilb

01-18-2004, 02:38AM

Here is what I have in mind. Taken from a previous posting on the Mod Plans

Well, where to start? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/blush.gif

Here was my plan until Georgia (my wife) mentined that it may be time to look for my TLC to replace my lovely 4Runner. But with some conditions http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/devil.gif.
As long as I get more $$ home AND THAT WHAT I SPEND ON THE TRUCK SHE GETS THAT TOO.

Must Have - Baja, that is probably your answer:
http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cool.gifSwap the engine. I already started some contacts on that, thanks to Baja. I need more power. The 4 cyl is killing me.
a) V6 easier install from another 4Runner or Tacoma.
b) V8 from a Tundra. Lots of work here, 2~3 weeks. But it would be the ultimate 4Runner. I am waiting for a quote. Then I will probably give it up.
10/03 - NO,I am no loger planning the engine swap. No CARB is avaiable for this conversion according to ProTrux besides the serious $$.
1/04 - The idea is coming back. The guys at ProTrux are doind a swap now. They may talk to me later. If later, I have money and the guts I may revisit this idea.
What is complicating thing is that I am planning to take my truck to Brazil. There I can potentialy do a swap for a 3.0 TurboDiesel. But who has the time to monitor the work and the $$$?

3/03 - OK, done. Sliding bar. I removed the wings AllPro sold me.Theyare on order already. I need to check on that.
Here are the pictures. It is sticking out a bit more than I have planned. But I need this to get to the roof rack.
http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/thumbnails/40/Slider03.jpghttp://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/thumbnails/40/Slider01.jpg
http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/details.php?image_id=512

10/03 - OK, done - Downey Headers.

11/03 - OK, done - Back coils. Oldmanemu (Made in Australia). I had Downey before. In about2.5 years they are sagging.
12/8 - update, needed to swap the OME back coils to the heavy heavy (yes, double heavy) duty. Scott was correct. I should have gotten these since from start. It is a kind of hard now. Hopefuly will get softer in the next months.

11/03 - OK, done - Back schocks. Oldmanemu (Made in Australia). I had the all famous bilstein. They leaked. ORW are sending them back to see if I can get a credit. We will see.
1/04 - I got credit on the Bilstein shocks. Good service from ORW and Bielstein.

Nice to Have
- A new Back bumper so I can carry gas and the highlift wthout loosing departure angle.
Can't find one for the 4Runner. Please let me know if you know of any.

- A new Front bumper. From ARB. Nice to have one.
1/04 - OK, in-process. A TJM T15 is coming.

- ARB Snorkel, just to have it. You never know, I may need to cross a river in Brazil.

- Higher Flow Air Compressor. Save ARB for locker use only.
1/04 - OK, done - The compressor is in. Need to find a location for the install.

Wish List
- ARB front locker. I am afraid that I will try things that will make me regreat later.
- Winch
- SuperCharger on the V6 or V8.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/18/2004 3:15:44 AM GMT

JackSilb

01-18-2004, 03:23AM

Here is the goal. Focus on mods that will help me in the South America trip.

- Front bumper for safety and security.

- Snorkel in case I have to cross high water or a strong afternoon rain get us. Iwill need toget the original air box and buy the snorkel. Do you have a 4Runner 2.7 airbox for me?

- Tires. Mine are bad already. Need to get new tiresduringthenext weeks. BFG AT. The question is 265 / 75 R16 vs. 285 / 75 R16. I have 265 MTs they don't rub. I had 285 ATs before. I can't quite remember, but I think they rubbed a bit. Do I need the extra ground clearance? Will my highway driving suffer because of the 285s? Need to decide this in the next two weeks.

- Cargo area platform. Have you seen Doron's TLC? That is what I need. A platform so I can stack things better and safely.

- Battery bracket. I have a large battery that needs a bracket.

- Regearing would be nice. But it requires some serious $$.
- A winch would be nice. But it requires some serious $$. Besides my 4Runner is a 4Cyl. The winch will add extra load.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/18/2004 3:30:21 AM GMT

expeditionswest

01-19-2004, 02:02AM

Jack,

The first thing you need to determin is what type of trips you and your family really enjoy. If you are limited to one vehicle, you will have to make a few compromises.

Engine Swap: I think I have mentioned this before (in another thread), but IMO this is a really bad idea. You are better off buying another vehicle with the correct motor. Trust me on this one.

Gearing swap: Great idea. First thing you need to do is remember back when your truck was new (before the bigger tires). Was there enough power then? If there was not enough power when you first bought the truck, the gearing wont fix the real needs that you have. I would go with the lowest gears available for your truck (5.29?). You need to get the 4cyl into the powerband again on the highway. That motor needs to be turning hard, as the HP and torque are developed at higher RPM's. You need to go lower than a direct correction (for tire diameter), as you need to compensate to the greater tire width and rotating mass. In addition, you have the weight of gear, wind resistance of the rack, etc. I run 4.88 gears (lowest available) with a 200hp 6cyl in my Jeep, and I love it.

Snorkel: Good idea, but mostly because they look cool : )

Tires: Why do you need the 285's? Have you been stopped due to clearance issues from where you want to go? Remember, the bigger the tires and lift, the more you will push the truck in challenging terrain. Greater chance of drivetrain failure, etc.

Cargo area: great idea, meets your needs

Winch: If money is tight, it should be a last resort. You usually travel with other vehicles.

If it was me, this is what I would address (in this order)

1. Do you need the extra HP, or just a gearing swap (remember the "when new" question)

2. If you need more HP, the swap is a bad idea (IMO). Get a different truck ( like a 1994 TLC with a 6cyl and factory lockers: solves all your problems)

3. If you keep the 4runner. The gearing should be the first modification! Before anything else. No snorkel, no winch, no fuzzy dice, etc. If you have the money, install the front ARB at this time

4. Next you need to address storage (like cargo area) and convenience. You carry a lot of people and gear. Get organized (and safe), and you will be a happier Brazilian...

5. Rear bumper: To get the heavy gas off of the rack, and make more room for other stuff

6. Tires. Stick with the 265's. Your truck did great when we ran together. Yes 285's will affect your highway power, etc. You have a good combo, and rocker protection, so life is good.

7. Front bumper. This is really a luxury, and should be purchased to house a winch. Otherwise it is just for looks : )

Just a few honest thoughts from your pal...
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Post Edited (Scott Brady) : 1/19/2004 3:56:41 AM GMT

JackSilb

01-19-2004, 04:46AM

Scott,

Great comments.
I forgot to mention that the 4Runner will be left in Brazil according to my current plans. I don't even get the looks and comments at home like 'forget about it, you are dreaming'. After our last meeting with an Argentinian family, Georgia is getting OK with the trip.

So, where this leave us? The 4Runner is not the truck for the family trips, but for trips in Brazil once a year. Maybe two times if I manage the time-off from work.

The TLC got the family approval while back. Need to get a small detail out of the way first, a house!

I agree with your priorities except for the front bumper. In Brazil, it will add a layer of security. People end respecting more your truck. I mean, they get out of the way and/or don't try a smart a## things.

I don't really recall the power with the original tires, that by the way are not that different 265 / 70 R16. I recall the truck always being slow on passing. But, now it is much heavier during the trips.

I am a kind of with you on the tires. But, I am tempted since the re-gear is in my list of to-dos. Therefore, 265 or 285 would be the same after the re-gearing, or not? I like the way the 265 run. NO rubbing!

I don't know where to get a TJM like hear bumper. That would solve the problem of my spare, and gas cans.

Here is what I have, not in priority order. Ex: just happen to have a chance to get the TJM front bumper ...

- TJM Front Bumper. In the works.
- Tires. A must not a mod.
- Snorkel. I will need before my trip. Not that much $$.
- Cargo area Platform. Made by Doron the man.
- Battery bracket. Made in Doron's country. I will need to do lots of barbecue while he works. Scott, you may be able to crash the party. No date yet. In the next 4 weeks I hope.
- 100% duty cycle air-compressor. Have the unit and have the air tank. Need to install them. Probably under the new Cargo Platform.

** After the House **
- Re-gearing. Did not think about the front ARB. This is a good idea since it would save money on the install. But still need to find the $600 extra for the ARB locker. Need to decide on the gearing factor.
- TLC 96 or 97 with factory lockers. Not really a mod but a path to a happier trip with the family.

Wish List
- Winch
- ARB front locker. Besides the $$, I am just afraid I will get in trouble trying harder things. Peer pressure will double I am sure.

Thanks,
-JACK

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expeditionswest

01-19-2004, 04:57AM

Do you think you will need the power that much in Brazil? I am sure their road speeds are slower than here. We drive like maniacs compared to most of the world (well, except for Germany and the like, but they build cars to drive at those speeds). </div>
What is the ideal tire for Brazil? I looked around on the net a bit for clubs in Brazil, and most of the vehicles use tall, narrow tires with very agressive tread to bite into the mud. Maybe you should consider the 255/85 R16 BFG M/T. It is a 33x10 tire.</div>
I see your point on the front bumper now. Good idea.</div>
I would move the winch higher than the front locker now that I know the terrain you will be living in.</div>
Now the Snorkel is for more than just good looks.</div>

I am very happy for you, and your upcoming adventure. To drive through Chile, Argentina and Brazil would be a true Expedition!!!</div>

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WhiteThaiGer

01-19-2004, 05:06AM

Scott Brady said...

Do you think you will need the power that much in Brazil? I am sure their road speeds are slower than here. We drive like maniacs compared to most of the world (well, except for Germany and the like, but they build cars to drive at those speeds)....
[quote]Germany: the road they drive fast on are in much better shape than your typical freeway too (here in the SouthWest anyway).
[quote]Power: Road speeds in Brazil may be lower, but there isprobalby a lot of driving rural 2 lane roads. These roads are usually used by vehicles withvery different speeds, i.e. power for quick passingwould be important.

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JackSilb

01-19-2004, 07:11AM

Uwe is absolutely correct. Just like passing in Baja, some torque to speed relation is fundamental. You need to get to speed quick.
Scott, I have MTs at moment. I don't like them on the wet. On wet roads they get to be dangerous.
Thank you for checking the Brazilian clubs. I was gladly surprised last time I went to Brazil. Lots of cool 4x4 on the streets. Even in a city with 6 million people living there, Rio de Janeiro, you can see that many cool trucks ...

I like your explanation on Uwe's mod about big tires to small tires. I need to get to decision this or next week. Maybe I will ask them to build one side of my 4Runner with AT 285 and the other with AT 265. See if I can note any major difference and try to see the locations they rubbed before. I had a bit different suspension.
Still, my current preference is the 265 / 75 R16. They work great in terms of not sticking out and not rubbing.

Can anybody here add on what I really gain in ground clearance and traction on mud? Or actually, it would be worst on traction?

-JACK
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expeditionswest

01-20-2004, 12:33AM

Too bad you dont live closer. You could bolt on the 285's from the Trooper and go for a short trail ride. </div>
You are correct about the mud tires on wet pavement, they have very poor traction. You should try to find an aggressive tire with siping. Siping greatly improves wet pavement handeling and stopping. I will do some research...</div>

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JackSilb

01-20-2004, 01:43AM

Thanks Scott.
I am almost set on the BFGs AT. I love these tires. Impress me ..

-JACK

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expeditionswest

01-20-2004, 01:52AM

I have had good luck with the AT's too. A well designed tire.

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BajaTaco

01-22-2004, 02:21PM

Tough decisions for you Jack. If you will be doing much wet pavement driving, then I agree that the BFG AT's are the choice. If you will rarely do the pavement, then maybe you could get some Simex (http://www.d-90.com/tire/simex.html) tires which would seem very well suited for the Brazilian jungles. (but you might have to order/import them, maybe from these guys (http://www.tirexusa.com/simex/simex.html)). Here is some good commentary (http://home.off-road.com/~bodgerover/bodgesimex.htm) from someone who has used them.

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GoodTimes

01-22-2004, 04:14PM

JackSilb said...
Can anybody here add on what I really gain in ground clearance and traction on mud? Or actually, it would be worst on traction?

-JACK

</div>Jack, big decision. Sort of.

Ok, the 265/75R16's have a section width (widest part of the tire) of 265mm, and a aspect ratio of 75%. That means your tires are 265mm wide, at are 198.75mm high, from the wheel to the top of the tread. With a 16" wheel (406.4mm), you end up with a 803.9mm tall tire/wheel combination (does not account for tire wear, and the "installed" height will be slightly smaller due to the distortion of the tire from the wieght of the vehicle). That is 31.6" for those non metric speaking people.

With a 285/75R16, you have a 285mm wide tire, with the same 75% aspect ratio, giving you a 213.73mm height from wheel to top of tread. Add the 16" wheel and you have a 833.9mm tire/wheel combination (under the same disclaimer as above). Again, that works out to 32.8" tall.

So, the 285's will be approximately 30mm (1.2") taller, and 20mm (.79") wider than the 265's. Keep in mind that once on the vehicle, you will only "see" 1/2 of those increases because half of the height increase is above the hub, and 1/2 is below it, and 1/2 of the width increase is on each side of the wheel.

Also, keep in mind that every manufacturer's tires are different. None of them run true to size, despite the numbers they put on the side of the tire. A 265/75R16 BFG A/T will not be the exact same size as a 265/75R16 Goodyear MT/R.

Since I know nothing about the terrain in Brazil, I can't comment on A/T vs M/T. But you are on the right track. Figure it out and THEN buy, not the other way around.

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JackSilb

01-24-2004, 07:33AM

Guys,

Hello,

I will not do much Jungle. Rio has 6 million people living on it. It is far from jungle. But still I will see mud. But most of it will be asphalt to get to the dirt / sand.
I will drive the truck once a year maybe twice. The other time will be fight between relatives on who will drive it. Nephews, brother in-law, sister in-law, brother, sister, best frined(s)...
And the other fight will be from Georgia telling me, ' I told you that you would create a conflict, happy now?! Sell the darn truck and get it over'.

Hey guess what I received today? No, that is not it. No, that is not that either!

Just if Marcelo was home this weekend to help me install it.

-JACK

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WhiteThaiGer

01-24-2004, 04:03PM

JackSilb said...
....I will drive the truck once a year maybe twice. The other time will be fight between relatives on who will drive it. Nephews, brother in-law, sister in-law, brother, sister, best frined(s)...Does this mean we get to sign up to use the official 4WDTrips truck in Brazil during our vacations down there? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/supercool.gif

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JackSilb

01-24-2004, 07:29PM

Sure,

I trust more you guys that know what you are doing than my 18 years old nephews.
I have to look on the insurance issue. I don't recall that in the Brazil people care who was driving but what car was insured. It may have changed in these past 11 years (ouch, 11 years already passed!).

-JACK

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BajaTaco

01-25-2004, 04:16PM

JackSilb said...
Guys,

...Hey guess what I received today? TJM bumper?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif

OK, from what you describe, I would probably go with the BFG TA/KO's.

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JackSilb

01-25-2004, 09:59PM

Can't tell.

I am about to install itusing a budd's house. Stay tuned for pictures tonight if we make it work.
We will start about 4:00 PM.

-JACK
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BajaTaco

01-26-2004, 01:25AM

OK, you have had 1 1/2 hours Jack. I put mine on in about 15 minutes. Where's the pics?? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

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WhiteThaiGer

01-26-2004, 04:47PM

An undisclosed source sent me this picture. He/she described him/herself as 'an informed source':

http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/media/46/Jacksbump_2.JPG

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Post Edited (WhiteThaiGer) : 1/26/2004 4:51:06 PM GMT

MrsS

01-26-2004, 05:12PM

Looks familiar. Where was the work done?
AnitaS

MrS

01-26-2004, 05:23PM

Looks <STRIKE>good GREAT Jack. Can't wait to see yours and Bajas rigs again. I guess by then you and him will have the winch.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif </div>

What was in that cup? furmaseeabowlatankin? (sp)</div>

KF6YSB

GoodTimes

01-26-2004, 08:27PM

MrS said...

What was in that cup? furmaseeabowlatankin? (sp)
</div>http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/chairfall.gif

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BajaTaco

01-27-2004, 03:04AM

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif </div>
Very nice Jack!! Who's 4runner is that?</div>

[quote]

MrS said...

...What was in that cup? furmaseeabowlatankin? (sp)http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif

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MrsS

01-27-2004, 02:20PM

MrS said...

What was in that cup? furmaseeabowlatankin? (sp)
</div> I think you meant "Feuerzangenbowle" didn't you? I have even learned how to say it - and I don't even like the drink.
MrsShttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif

WhiteThaiGer

01-27-2004, 02:44PM

MrsS said...

MrS said...

What was in that cup? furmaseeabowlatankin? (sp)
I think you meant "Feuerzangenbowle" didn't you? I have even learned how to say it - and I don't even like the drink.
MrsShttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gifAll right, people start to learn how to spell and say it. If we have it a few more times it will just roll of the tongue.

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JackSilb

01-27-2004, 11:00PM

Hello,

Sorry. Too much going on. I know old news know.
On a separate note, our labs at work flooded during the weekend. I am talking about bit times and big money. That is all we needed.

I like the 4Runner. The model may need some work.
Thanks for the use of the bat-cave and professional labor. I did most moral support and holding tools as usual http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif .

Yeah, a winch. The bumper looks empty now.

-JACK
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JackSilb

01-27-2004, 11:06PM

Hello,</div>
I need feedback ASAP.</div>
I am getting a snorkel, well planning hard at this point.</div>
I can't not find one listed for the 4Runner 1996. But found one for the Taco.</div>
http://www.safari4x4.com.au/docs/snorkel/ss170.htm</div>
SS170HF</div>
Last time I compared my engine compartment with SteveS and Baja, they looked the same expect for my 4CYL block.</div>
Any idea why the attached snorkel would not work on the 4Runner?</div>
Baja, do you know of any buddy at the yotatech that have on in the 4Runner?</div>
Thanks,</div>
-JACK</div>

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JackSilb

01-27-2004, 11:14PM

Here is how a 4Runner looks undet the fender guts.
It seems the the snokel for the Taco will work just fine.
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/28/2004 1:02:52 AM GMT

JackSilb

01-28-2004, 12:26AM

Here is how to install the snorkel (http://www.wattora.com/mods/snorkel/)

SteveS, is the Bat-Cave and pro Bat-007 ready for more fun?

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/28/2004 12:31:48 AM GMT

JackSilb

01-28-2004, 06:27AM

Lets see if you guys are really good.

I would like to have more torque than stock but not suffer much in highways.

I had originally(gears RZN185L-GKMSKA -> 4.556) With P265/70R16.

I am planning to get 265/75 R16.

If one day I can re-gear, will I be able to find the right gear?

Is 5.29 the way to go? Or 4.88? Or what?

Where is Doron with his Excel file?

Thanks,
-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/28/2004 6:39:31 AM GMT

BajaTaco

01-28-2004, 03:44PM

Jack, did you try using the info on this page (http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm)? There are some formulas there to figure out what your MPH will be at a given RPM. You need to find out what your other ratios are though.

Here is info (http://www.brian894x4.com/Gearratiosanddiffs.html) on how to read the factory info plate to obtain the gear information. I'm not sure how the numbers and letters that you posted correlate to the gears. Where did you get those numbers/letters from? If you need help figuring out what all of yourratios are (you need to find the transmission ratio and transfer case ratio to use the RPM/MPH formula) let us know.

There is also this simple formula from the page linked above:

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JackSilb

01-28-2004, 04:26PM

Thanks Baja,

I got the information from my door. Look-up on a site that Steve Shafer posted at Yotatech.
So mygear is 4.566. Don't know where to get the ratio.
Need to read your pointers.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/28/2004 4:30:26 PM GMT

expeditionswest

01-28-2004, 04:28PM

Jack,

Here you go:

Old tire 28'
New Tire 32'
Current gear ratio: 4.556:1
Ratio required with new tires: 5.20

You have additional weight, and aerodynamic drag from the lift and roof rack. Go with the 5.29 axle gears. That ratio will also work well with the 285's if you decide to upgrade later.

You have an overdrive so your highway RPM will not be too fast. With the 5.29's, your RPM will be 2852 at 65mph in 5th gear, which is perfect IMHO. Your 4cyl needs to be turning pretty hard to develop the available HP. Peak HP of 150@ 4,800 rpm, and more importantly peak Torque of 177@ 4,000 rpm.

Just be warned that this modification is very expensive. You will likely pay close to $1,800 to have a front arb installed and the gearing changed. The axle work I have done to the Jeep was more expensive than the price of the vehicle!

Are you still going to buy an FJ80? You seem to be spending big $$$ on the 4runner. Just wondering...

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JackSilb

01-28-2004, 04:34PM

> Are you still going to buy an FJ80? You seem to be spending big $$$ on the 4runner. Just wondering...

Scott,

Yes, I am planning to get the FJ80 one day.

Regarding the 4Runner. The regear is just on the plan. Just to make sure I don't choose a set of tires that I can not regear one day.

Thanks for the homework.
-JACK
p.s. I did not know that from 265 / 70 R16 to 265 /75 R16 I went from 28' to 32'. It seemed just one inch top. Where did you get the tire diameters?

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01-28-2004, 04:53PM

JackSilb said...
SteveS, is the Bat-Cave and pro Bat-007 ready for more fun?The bat-cave is always ready, and 007 is always willing, but not aways ready. Just give me a much lead time (30 minutes in Jack's case) as you can.

Your not going to use a snokel with your current filter are you? Besides the stock Toyota filter box on our trucks would leak like a sieve if the water ever got above the hood anyway. I found water and mud inside mine after bumper high water crossings (thats why I re-worked the stock drains)

KF6YSB

expeditionswest

01-28-2004, 05:23PM

Jack,

Because I didnt know your original wheel package, I used the factory tire package (std.) @ 225/75 r15, you had an upgraded tire/wheel package. Sorry about that. It doesnt change to gearing you need though, based upon highway RPM and motor output.

Hope this helps...

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GoodTimes

01-28-2004, 10:19PM

Jack, you are right on with that one inch. the difference between the 70 series and the 75 series 265 is right at one inch.

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JackSilb

01-29-2004, 02:39AM

OK Thank you guys.
I am about to get the tires.

Baja, I called Discount Tires, the sale person told me that they don't recommend the siping thing on the ATs. They guy did not know why not.
I like the idea so these tires work better on the wet conditions, as long as they don't void the warranty.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/29/2004 7:45:59 AM GMT

BajaTaco

01-29-2004, 09:16PM

Jack, I have no idea on the warranty. I never bought the Discount tire road hazard warranty for them (and never needed it). They should be able to tell you if it will void the warranty or not. With the AT's, the siping isn't as much of an issue since they already have factory siping. I have no way to prove if it made any difference. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But as you can read on my web page, I had no problems with the sipes, so my guess is that they helped. As far as the guy recommending it, or against it, I wouldn't be too concerned. The guy from the Discount tire here asked me right away if I wanted to get mine siped. He obviously thought it was a good idea. Then when I just bought my MTR's from a different discount tire, the guy installing the tires looked at me funny and asked the sales guy.. "we're not going to sipe these are we?" like it was some crazy idea. So, I guess it just depends on whoever happens to be working that day as to whether you will get a positive or negative suggestion.

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JackSilb

01-30-2004, 12:15AM

Baja, funny. This was the same look I got today on the store.
You are correct, after taking a look at the ATs, I saw that they have it done by factory. If I got the store to do another on the top of it, it would make the tire weaker.
Yes, I just got mine done.

WHAT A SMOOTH RIDE!

It looks like a car with new shocks. I did not realize how bad MTs were. Probably never again on MTs ...

I got 265 / 75 R 16. They look a kind of small on my Truck. I guess due to the lift. I again almost played with the 285's. But after all the great discussion on this forum I sticked with the 265s.
I even got my spare tire to be the same BFG AT 265/75. The fit was cloooose.

I have a free original Toyota, never touched on the group, for any of you. 265/70 R16. Disclaimer, this is an old tire with no use. I am not liable it the tire has a problem being use after that many years without use. It was mounted on my truck.

-JACK
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BajaTaco

01-30-2004, 01:41AM

JackSilb said...

...after taking a look at the ATs, I saw that they have it done by factory. If I got the store to do another on the top of it, it would make the tire weaker...I have to disagree Jack. Like I said, mine did great with the sipes and lasted well after the tread wore down past the sipes. I think they gripped every bit as good as the MTR's...

I'm glad you like them!! They are a great tire - very smoooth.

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JackSilb

01-30-2004, 02:14AM

Oh, were you talking about the ATs?
That is, did you sipe your ATs too?

For some reason, I tried to imagine the sipe on the to of the other. It seemed to me too many cuts. The original are wide and deep. You almost can move the rubber that is separated by the sipe.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/30/2004 3:09:18 AM GMT

BajaTaco

01-30-2004, 02:35AM

Yes, I had my BFG AT's siped (center tread blocks only).

http://www.bajataco.com

JackSilb

01-30-2004, 03:09AM

I see. Don't know if I should go back and do mine.

-JACK

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01-30-2004, 03:36AM

Nah, don't worry about it. Time to hit the trails!!

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JackSilb

01-30-2004, 03:39AM

OK people,Uwe forced me to get out of my office on the cold and snap some pictures.

-JACK
http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/media/40/4RunnerAT1-2.JPG

http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/media/40/4RunnerAT2-2.JPG
Competition is good.
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 1/30/2004 3:47:04 AM GMT

BajaTaco

01-30-2004, 03:43AM

Oh man, I really like pic#2. That bumper and the brand new tread looks cool http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif I can't wait to see the 4runners on the El Golfo trip.

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WhiteThaiGer

01-30-2004, 04:06AM

BajaTaco said...
Oh man, I really like pic#2. That bumper and the brand new tread looks cool http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif I can't wait to see the 4runners on the El Golfo trip.
Yeah, but I after just getting back from the garage showing Srisuda the new threads on our truck I really think the 265's are skinny http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

But I don't want to get in a mod race with Jack, there is no way to keep up. So how about passing http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif where can I find an inexpensive TLC http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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JackSilb

01-30-2004, 05:53AM

Nooohhhh!
Don't go there please http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/banghead.gif

-JACK
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01-31-2004, 03:07AM

Hey,

Here is one more thing that came to me yesterday.
I am not sure I will pay for the re-gear even if one day I have the money.

But, for a Marling Crawler, that is another thing. One of my biggest problem on more challenge trails is that I have to keep the engine RPM pretty high to have some torque. Yes, the clutch work is part of it. At the end, it seems I don't have finesse on the driving. It just that the engine will die with I don't keep the RPM up and burn some clutch.
With the Crawler it will solve my torque problem. I would have a very capable truck in Brazil for mud and other things and hold you. I would need to do it here before the trip to South America.

What are the problems that you see with adding yet another reduction case to the game? ex: More stress on the components? Axles breaking ...

-JACK

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BajaTaco

01-31-2004, 05:13PM

JackSilb said...

If one day I can re-gear, will I be able to find the right gear?

Is 5.29 the way to go? Or 4.88? Or what?
Dayum, Schaefer just put 315/75/16's on his 4runner. I gotta say, it looks awesome. Regarding gears, here is a quote from him (he has a 3rd gen 4runner with a manual 4 cyl. like Jacks)...

"...Finally the 5.29 gears and the 285's were a bit too low. They are right on the money with the 34.5" 315/75/16 tires. I now have the exact same RPM's as stock."

Jack, regarding the crawler, talk to Schaefer again. That is one of the things I would absolutely love to have. Unfortunately it costs alot of $$. But you are right, it adds remarkable amounts of control and finesse to the sticky spots. There is an added risk of over-torquing the IFS as you mentioned. Just like having a front locker, it all adds up. So you just have to be careful and live with the fact that you have a greater chance of breaking something, and realize that you need to be prepared to fix it on the trail. The benefits of the added control and capability far outweigh the downside of maybe having to repair an axle (to me anyway).

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GoodTimes

01-31-2004, 10:22PM

Jack, I hold a slightly different opinion about the crawler box than most people. If you are not a "throttle jockey", I think that having a crawler will actually reduce the chances of breaking things. OK, let me try to explain. With your engine turning a high RPM so you can get over something, you already have enough torque (produced through the gear reduction of the transmission, transfer case and differential gears) to break things. The problem you have is that you can't go slow enough while providing that torque to the tires. When your tires slip, they accelerate rapidly, then they catch traction and you get a huge shock load which ends up with things going "pop". With the crawler box, you can literally idle over the same obstical without having to rev the engine up. If you lose traction and a tire slips, it doesn't have the rapid acceleration, so when it catches traction again, it doesn't have as big of a shock load. To add to that, with the super deep gearing provided by the crawler, you won't be starting and stopping like you are now. You can just put it in gear and let it crawl. You can even get out and help push it over rocks when it needs a little extra help, then just walk back up to the door and get in--never have to stop the 4-runner (I have done this with my jeep, it always gets some good reaction from bystanders).</div>

As a example, some people here know Sean King. He has a toyota pickup that has dual transfer cases, SAS, lots of sheet metal removed, blah blah blah. He is into extreme rock crawling, stuff that I don't even think about taking the jeep on. He is only using dana 44 axles (same as came stock on my jeep--well almost the same, the differential is the same, and we both have 30 spline inner shafts and 27 spline stub shafts, which is really all we are talking about here anyway since those are the parts that break) with alloy shafts. He has 38.5" tires, and has no trouble with breaking drivetrain components because of the deep gearing and he is very light on the skinny pedal. His truck moves so slow when in lo/lo/1st gear that he doesn't need to touch the gas or brakes, the amount of control you have is incredible.</div>

The problem you may see though, is if you get in a situation like Scott was in during the last Martinez run. He had so much traction that he overpowered his axle shaft. He was not on the gas very hard, but he had so much traction that the tire wouldn't slip. It is unusual (in my experience) to get that much traction, but it is something that you should keep in mind if you decide to go with this kind of modification. I would love to do it to the jeep, but there is no room to do it.</div>

But really, I gotta ask. If you are thinking about leaving the 4-runner in brazil, and getting a TLC (or other vehicle) to keep stateside, why all the thought about expensive mods? Why not save the mod money for the TLC?http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/confused.gif </div>

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JackSilb

02-03-2004, 07:44AM

Good explanations. Thank you!

Well, If I will do anything on the 4Runner, before the end of the year is the time.

I just can see me in Brazil on very steep hills with some rocks, with the 4Runner loaded, and not be able to make it.
Or not having enough torque to get out of a mud river beach.

You have to see how hard I have to work the engine to be able to go over obstacles that are easy for people that have some real engine. The clutch smokes very quick.

Will the crawler still work if one day I swap the engine and associated transmission?

Just an idea in case some money come on my way before going to Brazil.
I need to get this idea out of the way or work on it.

Thanks,
-JACK

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BajaTaco

02-08-2004, 03:22AM

Yessir, the Marlin MC09 (http://www.marlincrawler.com/tacoma/2_7_4runner/index.html) will work with 4 cyl. or V6 4runners.

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JackSilb

02-08-2004, 08:53AM

OK here is an update.
This mod is too much money. It goes for about 2.5K installed. 1.6 K for the parts/kit. $900 to install.
Forget it!

Here is an idea. There is a mod for the low range that take you from 2.88:1 to 4.7:1. It is also , from Marlin. That would give me more torque on the low range for the hard spots. I would love to have it.

Any problems you guys can see if this mod?

Thanks,
-JACK

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02-08-2004, 03:58PM

The biggest problem with the 4.0:1 and lower cases is the loss of an effective reverse in mud and snow. You can't get enough wheel speed to generate momentum out of a rut or to clear the tread for traction. I have experienced this the two times I ran trails in Alaska. Even deep sand can be a problem if you use low range as a gear splitter. You will end up running high RPM's in that small little fifth gear cog.

For rocks, granite, slick-rock, and hard trails the 4:1+ t/case gears are great.

IMHO:

If the majority of your trails involve rock, then 60:1 + low range is appropriate and a benefit
If you are going to run mixed trails, with snow and mud 45-60:1 is a better choice
If you have the driveshaft length and can afford the dual t-case solution, then you have the best of everything ;)

I think you will get a better ROI with an axle gearing swap (like the 5.29 gears), and adding a front ARB.
Some things to think about...

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BajaTaco

02-08-2004, 04:28PM

Jack, that will not work with our t-cases, because they are a chain-driven design (not gear-driven like the older Toy cases)and they do not have enough clearance to allow the modification for larger gears. So you will have to actuallyswap your t-case forone of Marlin's gear-driven t-cases with the gear kit and adapter plate.This setupis $1,169. Not too much more, and you could have dual cases.

http://www.bajataco.com

JackSilb

02-08-2004, 11:08PM

Baja,

According to their site for ~ $600 you get the kit to install that had the mods for our Tacoma / 4Runner years.. I will give them a call to confirm and report here later.

Scott, well if I swap the low range I can still use the 4th gear or so get get some momentum / speed. Is this what you were thinking?
My current problem is not enough torque on low range first gear. It eats a lot of clutch and not finesse at all.
-JACK

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02-09-2004, 02:14AM

Jack,

I was referring to reverse only. You will only have one VERY low reverse gear. If you need to get some momentum to 'pop' out of a muddy rut, or reverse out of a deep mud hole that requires wheel speed. If you lived closer, I could show you some video from Alaska to demonstrate.

In addition, in low range (4.7:1) you will have a very slow top speed in 5th gear, which may be a problem in sand. I often use low range in sand to act as a 'gear splitter' to keep the RPM's in the powerband of the motor. You would be limited to 20 mph or so with the 4.7 gears, and that would be in fifth gear, which is a cruising gear for the highway, not intended for the load and torque that would be applied while driving through sand.

The critical thing to understand here, is that very low t-case gears work FANTASTIC in the rocks, and allow for very slow progressive control in technical terrain. IMO mixed driving like sand, mud, moderate trails do not require that type of gearing, and is in fact a liability. I remember the Peterson fourwheeler of the year last year, when the Jeep Rubicon was tested. They loved the vehicle in rough terrain, but it actually faired so poorly in the sand due to the deep gearing that it resulted in a 2nd or 3rd (?) place finish. The practical application of technology for the terrain you drive is the single most important consideration. The magazines promote big tires, big lifts, big axles, etc. because it brings in BIG advertising dollars.

I just completed the Martinez Mine trail with two STOCK vehicles. This is the most difficult trail in the Wells guide book. One of them was Goodtimes stock Wrangler Rubicon, and the other was a TRD Tacoma. All of these big modifications are so tempting, but they are not necissary. A small lift, good tires (31-33'), proper axle gearing and locking differentials are all that is required for all but the extreme trails.

You spend a lot of time in the sand of Baja! Dual cases are the preferred solution for a vehicle that sees mixed terrain.

I still believe that the correct axle gearing is the proper solution for your application. You will be so happy with the results off-road, and on the highway. This will correct the variance from the bigger tires you have installed. If you have money after that, buy the dual case solution.

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expeditionswest

02-09-2004, 02:18AM

Jack,

If I remember, you had an Odyssey battery in your truck. How has that worked for you? What model was it?

Scott

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BajaTaco

02-09-2004, 02:47AM

Scott Brady said...
Jack,

If I remember, you had an Odyssey battery in your truck. How has that worked for you? What model was it?

Scott
</div>The info on his battery is in this thread (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/?f=12&m=246)- scroll down to see the pics and info.

Scott, you have made some good points regarding the t-case gears. I hadn't thought about the sand driving.

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JackSilb

02-09-2004, 07:07AM

Scott,

Thanks a lot for the information.
I am too tire to even type a good reply as you deserve.

Look what Have spent the last 4+ hours working on. All went well and fast until I have to connect the tubes from the Snorkel on the intake. Spent 2 hours and could not make it work well. It is dark and cold. I need to try it again during the day light and someone to bounce some ideas. It is not a plug and play as claimed in the manual.

I am happy with my battery. I love it. I don't have space for a dual battery. This is serving me very well. Lots of toys and tools powered by it.

Here are the other pictures
http://www.4wdtrips.net:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/details.php?image_id=1198

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 2/9/2004 7:17:13 AM GMT

JackSilb

02-09-2004, 07:20AM

Hey Doron and Scott,

What happens when is raining REALLY hard. Where the water goes once it gets in the snorkel? I mean you are driving in the highway the rain is coming hard, I am assuming some water will get in the snorkel opening. After some hours of driving it will accumulate somewhere.

-JACK

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02-09-2004, 03:39PM

I cant speak for Doron, but the rain has never been an issue. The head of the snorkel has an angle (overhang)to it, which helps. If you are getting water in the air box, just rotate the snorkel head 180 deg. It doesnt look as cool, but...</div>
The biggest issue Doron and I have discovered is that the air filter gets dirtier much quicker (despite claimes to the contrary), and you have a major BUG problemhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif. They get turbo sucked http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/gottogo.gif into the snorkel and wedged in the air filter (lots of them!). The only real solutions are to rotate the snorkel head, or to buy the prefilter.</div>

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BajaTaco

02-09-2004, 04:55PM

Jack! I am jealous. You bought a snorkel without me http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/nono.gif Oh man, you are keeping ahead of Uwe now. You even got all of your lights looking good again. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif The 4runner is looking sweet! How can we help you figure out the installation problem? Can you show us some pics? Have you asked at Yotatech and 4x4wire?

OK, regarding the rain, go to this page (http://www.safari4x4.com.au/docs/snorkel/snorkel_qa.htm) and look at the second item on the FAQ list.
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expeditionswest

02-09-2004, 05:30PM

Thanks for the link Baja... That answers the question much better than I didhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif </div>
Have you guys seen this video? http://www.safari4x4.com.au/docs/video.htmIt shows a trooper Floating down a river still running. Pretty cool!http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif </div>

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JackSilb

02-09-2004, 09:03PM

> Jack! I am jealous. You bought a snorkel without me
Sorry Baja, I got it before we discussed the item. Just wanted to do a surprise. I will get one on the same scheme. Just need that person to reply to the Thread. That is why I told you that my friend could start ordering items from ARB.

The lights WORK JUST GREAT. More than great. They never work so well like this. No vibrations at all! I just love it.

I am not sure how come I did not consider this bumper before. I remember Steve talking about the bumper. I was thinking, what is he talking about...
Well, I can tell you that every truck I will have from now will get one of these as long as I can get a good price.

Let me call Mr X to see why he is not replying on the prices.

Thanks,
-JACK

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JackSilb

02-10-2004, 05:25AM

Thanks Baja and Scott.

I am not sure about the movie. I saw some watter going on the intake of the snorkel. I am not sure how the engine did not take it. Once the water is really in, I don't see any way for it to get out.

I need to double check how I did my bracket install. I don't remember any special instructions on this part. I need to leave some space for the rain water to get out.

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GoodTimes

02-10-2004, 05:45PM

Jack, with reguards to the dual case vs 4:1 (or 4.7:1) single transfer case......Scott, Brett and I discussed this on the Martinez trip for a few minutes. I love the deep gears in my jeep (4:1), but as Scott mentioned, it isn't optimal for mud or sand (neither of which I spend any time in). The dual case set up is the hands down winner here.

And now to the stuff that brought me here this morning.......now that you have given up on the engine swap, here are a couple pages that may be of interest. I don't know if the years match up with your 4-runner or not......

http://www.offroadsolutions.com/

http://www.offroadsolutions.com/technicalarticles/34l_conversion_kit.htm

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JackSilb

02-11-2004, 03:15AM

Thanks GoodTimes. I am trying to control the idea to not get alive again.

Could not call on the 4.7:1 yet ...

-JACK

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JackSilb

03-07-2004, 02:53AM

My turn to post something new here.

Since I have the new TJM bumper the PIAA lighs were looking a kind small.
Here is what I did today.

http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/data/media/40/Jack4runnerPIAAtoIPF5.jpg

The new lights are 1+ inches larger.

Also, I replaced the light bulbswith 100W super white Xenon.

Just need another trip to Baja to test all the lights.

Here are the pictures with more details.
http://www.rxtx.com:8085/4wdtrips/photogallery/details.php?image_id=1209
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 3/7/2004 6:36:40 AM GMT

JackSilb

03-07-2004, 03:00AM

Yes,

I need to do something with the hose clamps. I am considering turning them around and painting them black. Or just leave the the way it is so people can make fun of me.

-JACK

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BajaTaco

03-07-2004, 05:34AM

BLING! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif Jack, it looks good. I think that's a good move to get some bigger diameter reflectors on there since you have the room for them.

As for the pipe clamps http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif - just tell people that you carry spare hose clamps as part of your spare parts kit. By carrying them on the front bumper, they serve two purposes, and save weight by not requiring heavy steel brackets to be welded to your bumper. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/turn.gif

Did you ever get your snorkel connection figured out?

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JackSilb

03-07-2004, 06:35AM

Aha this was a good one. Thanks Baja.

I am working on the snorkel. In fact, just got an almost new airbox this Friday. I will be back to get the remaining parts of the airbox, get rid of the "K&N bad move", and connect the remaining tube to the snorkel. Possible this week if work permit.

Steve has a good point that if you don't seal well the airbox and the other connections to the snorkel, it will not work. ARB recommend something similar but does not go on specific.

I did not realize the connections to the airbox were a kind of "a loose assembly" and don't seem to be water tight. I got some sensor safe silicon to play with.

On that same day, I am planning to change some bushing that are going bad after 133K miles (not bad).
I summary, if people don't pay special attention to the junctions the snorkel will not do much good. Well, at least on the functionality side. For the look side still work.

Still I am not planning to drive the 4Runner anywhere water is above the bumper. The transition to the water is what usually get the bumper under water. So the K&N was right there to suck some water.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 3/7/2004 8:08:05 AM GMT

BajaTaco

03-07-2004, 06:40AM

Cool - thanks for the update. Sounds like you have it under control. I'm glad you found an air box! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif Good tip on the snorkel connections - keep em tight.

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JackSilb

03-13-2004, 03:50PM

Update

Snorkel
- Airbox installed
- Snorkel connect to airbox
- All connections sealed with sensor safe silicone

Bushing
- Changed some, need to change some others that ProTrux is ordering for me

Breather
- Extended the rear diff breather
- Front was already extend by factory
- Need to do for the transfer case and transmission. I did not know that. Thanks to SteveS for the hint.

As a note. I am using a used air filter in the 4Runner now, that is what ProTrux had. I hope this is the problem because my 4Runner is much slower and much less responsive than when I had the K&N setup. I Will install a new air filter soon. If it does not fix the gutless, I will install a high flow air filter on the airbox. If there was any question in my mind that the K&N help (air flow) helps, I don't have it anymore.

Thanks,
-JACK

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BajaTaco

03-14-2004, 03:46AM

Jack, it's good to see things coming together. Keep us posted on the air filter. Feel any difference with the bushings? Did you go with poly or stay with rubber?

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JackSilb

03-15-2004, 08:39AM

Air filter. Who posted something while back with the articles on air filter? I want to read a bit and buy a high flow one. At least for city and highway drive.

The current setup with a used, who knows how bad it is, is killing me. The 4Runner takes considerably more time to get to the same speed and the RPM I got before with the K&N deal.
Just to make sure I give a summery here. I replaced my K&N filter charged, or whatever is the correct name, with an used original airbox and used air filter that was inside the box. Therefore the Snorkel can really do what it was supposed to do.

- JACK

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JackSilb

03-15-2004, 08:48AM

> Feel any difference with the bushings? Did you go with poly or stay with rubber?

Interesting question.
I went with what Protrux had in stock; poly. I asked for a black kit because of one of the article I read about the subject. I guess BajaTaco sent the pointer to us. It was mentioned that the black Poly may or comes with graphite. It was a better option than red for instance.

I noticed a bit harder going over driveway transitions. Still, can be only my impression. I almost thought that my shocks feels harder now. Can it be that much of difference?

I still need to stop by ProTrux and do some other bushing and replace the air filter. Too much going at work. I am here now while some other people are trying to make a piece of equipment work.

Thanks,
-JACK

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BajaTaco

03-16-2004, 02:33PM

Jack, I wish you were here, so I could give you one of my new filters to try in there. That's too bad about the power loss - I wouldn't expect it would be that much. Maybe the good side is that your engine is breathing cleaner air.

Yea, I bet the poly bushings would make a noticeable difference in how the ride feels.

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif Jack, maybe you should get your K&N filter back and sell your snorkel to me, for some chocolates.

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JackSilb

03-24-2004, 05:55AM

Cargo Platform V1.0

I can fit 4 of the ActionPack boxes under the cargo Platform.

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 7/14/2004 5:53:00 PM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

03-24-2004, 05:55AM

Sorry about the delay. Work is getting in the way.

I have replaced some other bushings and got a new air filter.

What a difference! It is much better now. The acceleration is still not as nice as the K&N but definitively better. I will try a high flow filter when I manage the time. Aimsoil is probably the way to go. Just don't know if I can get one for the 2.7 Engine. When pointer where to order one?

Anybody knows if the 3.4 airbox will fit on the 2.7?
Baja, can you snap some pictures of your airbox when you have a chance?

Thanks,
-JACK

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JackSilb

03-24-2004, 05:58AM

Battery Bracket Finally!

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Time to work on the wiring. It is ugly.
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 7/14/2004 5:51:49 PM (GMT-8)

transalper

03-24-2004, 01:50PM

Very nice cargo platform. That is one sturdy unit! I wish I had a welder so I could make cool stuff like that. You might want to consider adding panels to the side so you can use the space above the wheel wells for storage. I put folding chairs on the left and recovery gear on the right of mine.

When you figure out how to convert it onto a bed platform, let me know. I've been wanting to do that for a while and haven't gotten around to it . . .

Jay - 97 4Runner
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WhiteThaiGer

03-24-2004, 02:59PM

I recognice the installers arms, you went up to Jason http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif </div>
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expeditionswest

03-25-2004, 03:10AM

Jack,

Very nice mods. Way to go!

Scott Brady
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BajaTaco

03-25-2004, 05:11PM

Looks great Jack! yea, I will get some pics for you

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JackSilb

03-29-2004, 06:18AM

transalper said...
Very nice cargo platform. That is one sturdy unit! I wish I had a welder so I could make cool stuff like that. You might want to consider adding panels to the side so you can use the space above the wheel wells for storage. I put folding chairs on the left and recovery gear on the right of mine.

When you figure out how to convert it onto a bed platform, let me know. I've been wanting to do that for a while and haven't gotten around to it . . .

This is a good point. Initially, I was planning to use the whole space. Then I realized that I would not e able to put anything between the wheel wells and the cargo platform. There isn't much space left. As you mentioned, that is a good space for some thin vertical stuff. For example, my 5 gallon water container fits just nice on the right side. On the left side, I am planning to install the 100 duty cycle air compressor I got while back.</div>
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JackSilb

03-29-2004, 06:24AM

Hello,

During the party we exchanged some ideas about the cargo Platform.
Is is indeed heavy. It can be used for an elephant for tricks. Very unlike we will find some during our trips. Therefore some mods to the mod is coming along.

a) Cut-out the middle 'supporting wall'. The whole platform solid any may no need it
b) Use thinner material to build the platform
c) A and B together
d) Lower the Platform to hold better the Action Packer box I have
or
e) Get Boxes that are perfect for the platform
or
f) Put something under the boxes to make them tight in place. If you are aware of some nice boxes that would work on this supplicate, please share with me.

I have to keep bouncing some ideas so Version 2 is the final version. Comments and ideas are more than welcome.
-JACK

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JackSilb

03-29-2004, 06:26AM

WhiteThaiGer said...

I recognice the installers arms, you went up to Jason http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif
Looks nice, you even got it all power coated? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif
Yes sir.
Jason Demello.
Here is Jason't site http://www.demello-offroad.com/
-JACK

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JackSilb

04-18-2004, 04:06AM

Not really a mod but some things I am doing on the 4Runner in terms of PM and preparation for the possible trip to South America.
- Update on the air-filter. After using a new TOYOTA air filter I was tired of the lack of power. Got a TRD high flow in a dealer. They had this filter in stock for a while since not many 4Runners 2.7 are around. I am glad to inform that the power is back. Can't remember when compared to the K&N whole system. Probably the same. After doing lots of reading on the K&N vs. Amsoil, TRD, and Toyota, I decided to go back to the high flow K&N type. I know these filters let go more particles through, but it is a price I have to pay if I want the fun back. I am planning to change the motor oil more often to compensate for some of that.

- Changed the radiator hoses and changed the fluid using Toyota red antifreeze. No leaks but this a 1996 truck. Now I probably don't have to worry about these for more 8 years (or the end of this truck). I got a pair of spare just in case. The idea is to take some parts with me on a kit that I am preparing for the South America trip and trips in general. For instance, I am not sure how easy will be to find the radiator hoses or spark plug cables for the 2.7 in South America of Mexico. I will list here the spare kit later.

- Changed all the fluids. This time I did not use synthetic (but in the engine) since I am planning to do some transmission work and change the fluids again in November for the big trip.

- Belts. Changed all 3 of them for Toyotas. Got 3 more for the spare kit.

- Gas filter. Did not have time to change it. Needed to get back to work. I have two. One to change one for the spare kit.

- I have changed the spark plugs, spark plug cables, distributor cap, an rotor (yes my 4Runner has one) notlong back. I have one of each set for the spare kit.

Bob, as you can see I was ready for your trip to Mexico ...

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 4/18/2004 4:11:45 AM GMT