Christmas & New Year - Part I - El Golfo, Sonora - 12/26~28/03 [Archive]

YukonBob

12-08-2003, 02:05AM

We'll leave from Yumaat 9AM local time on the 26th. (this is a change from 10AM, we have a more aggressive schedule for the first day)

Motel in Yuma is the Hacienda for the 25th.

This will be two nights of camping.I don't think both nights will be in the same place. First night somewhere along the beach between El Golfo and Bahia Adair. It's my goal to map all the roads in the area so I'll be doing a lot of driving. You can hang out at the beach if that suits you better.

The second night will probably be spent on the north shore of Bahia Adair or the southern edges of the Sierra Pinacate. I've got a road that's been nagging me for years that I call the Smuggler's Road. We're going to see if we can find it from the south and see if really does work it's way into the Sierra Pinacate. If it does you will also be treated so some of the fine sights of this historic volcanic area.

It's a journey of exploration and fun at the beach. I expect we'll have enough daylight to see how close the roads go to 32114 on our way home on Sunday.

Tourist cards and vehicle permits are not required for part I.

Added 12/12/03
We've talked about extra gas.
Please have your Mexican insurance in advance.

We are going to change the original schedule. We will head east from San Luis Rio colorado on Highway 2. The first stop will be to explore roads around 32 degrees north and 114 degrees west. We're not going to try and hike the dunes just get an idea of the roads in the area. We'll keep going east to western entrance of the Sierra Pinacate, about ninety miles from San Luis Rio. We can stopand see Crater McDougal, Crater Molina and Tinajas de Los Papagos while looking for the road south to the railroad. If we find it, it will be on to a camping spot on the beach for a couple of days.

Adventurers

Al
Bob
Jack? <STRIKE>and crew
Uweand Salsita
<STRIKE>
<STRIKE>Doron and crew?
<STRIKE>Captian Steve and Edie?
<STRIKE>Marcelo?
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Post Edited (YukonBob) : 12/23/2003 5:18:35 PM GMT

WhiteThaiGer

12-08-2003, 03:18AM

YukonBob said...

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It's a journey of exploration and fun at the beach. I expect we'll have enough daylight to see how close the roads go to 32114 on our way home on Sunday.Ah, very important. I hope I can make this trip too, it all depends on work... I hope to know by the end of next week.

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JackSilb

12-08-2003, 05:08AM

No hotel needed for Part I, correct?

Lets call Part II - 12/28 to ?? (when we meet you again). OK?

-JACK
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YukonBob

12-09-2003, 05:52AM

Jack said...
No hotel needed for Part I, correct?I'll be staying at the Hacienda in Yuma on the night of the 25th. Rate is around $30.00. Gives us a good start on Friday morning.

I'm thinking of starting this trip to first go by 32114 and check out the roads there. We can take the road around the mountains and see where it goes. If we get lucky we'll be able to go around to the east side and take the wash out to the highway.

That will lead us into the western side of the Pinacate near the microwave relay station off Highway 2. We'll go south past the Sierra Hornaday, the craters and take the road south from Tinajas De Los Papagos. We'll see where the road leads us. We'll get to do some sightseeing and we should be able to do this in a day.

This will put us into El Golfo for one or two nights and if anybody is really comfortable and wants to stay longer they can.

What do you think, Al?

AlWalter

12-09-2003, 03:23PM

That sounds good to me. We need to have a good handle on fuel planning when going this route. Watch how much we use exploring around the mountains. Fuel is available at San Luis, Puerto Penasca & El Golfo only, which means having to go for fuel can take us out of the way.

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YukonBob

12-10-2003, 04:38AM

Al said...
We need to have a good handle on fuel planning when going this route.That's really true. I'll be carrying an extra ten gallons. It's a long way between fuel stops.

Who do we have so far?

Bob
Al
Jack and his Crew

WhiteThaiGer

12-10-2003, 04:53AM

YukonBob said...

Al said...
We need to have a good handle on fuel planning when going this route.That's really true. I'll be carrying an extra ten gallons. It's a long way between fuel stops.

Who do we have so far?

Bob
Al
Jack and his Crew

I'll try very hard to make this one and if I can make it I'll bring the usual photographer/navigator http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif
There is not much in terms of reservations to do, so it should be okay to just show up, right?

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YukonBob

12-10-2003, 05:11AM

Uwe said...
There is not much in terms of reservations to do, so it should be okay to just show up, right? Meet you at 32114. After that you maywant some directions. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

Seriously, just come on Saturday if that is all you can do and go home on Sunday. I think you like the area. And your going to have to start thinking about buying your Mexican auto insurance by the year.

JackSilb

12-11-2003, 12:32AM

Bob,

Can you provide the phone number of the hotel(s) you are staying?

Thanks,
-JACK

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WhiteThaiGer

12-11-2003, 03:19AM

YukonBob said...
Meet you at 32114. After that you maywant some directions. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

Seriously, just come on Saturday if that is all you can do and go home on Sunday. I think you like the area. And your going to have to start thinking about buying your Mexican auto insurance by the year.Right now things are starting to look good for this part of the trip...http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
It's true, I should review the insurance info. Also, aren't there some Baja clubs with discounts for various things and discounts in La Pinta hotels if a certain number of nights?

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YukonBob

12-11-2003, 03:43AM

Discover Baja (http://www.discoverbaja.com/)offers some things for $39 ayear membership

YukonBob

12-11-2003, 03:53AM

In Yuma for the 25th of December you can find us here to quote a post from Al's previous trip.</div>
"We will meet at the Hacienda Motel 2150 4th Ave Yuma, 928-782-4316"</div>

JackSilb

12-11-2003, 10:30PM

Hey Uwe,

I am planning to stop by a Mexican consular office in San Diego next week to do the tourist pass(es).
Do you want to come along?
We may even combine it wit the HRO visit to tune your VHF setup.

-JACK

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JackSilb

12-12-2003, 01:34AM

Bob,

Marcelo is back.
He is interested in this trip.
He is going to check with his boss (Claudia) to make sure they can make it.

-JACK

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JackSilb

12-12-2003, 01:41AM

Bob,

Other participants to your list:

- Doron and crew
- CaptainSteve and Edie

They told me that they would jump here tonight to give their official reply.

-JACK

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YukonBob

12-13-2003, 06:16AM

I've been look at some of satellite photos of the area and thought I'd post a couple to get you in the mood. The first is an overview of the area. The red line on the top is highway 2 and you can see a loop into the western part of the Sierra Pinacate to Tinajas De los Papagos. Our goal will be to get from there to the blue line in the south that shows the road along the railroad. </div>
The second attachment is a closeup of the Tinjas De Los Papagos loop. It's a fascinating area. </div>

WhiteThaiGer

12-13-2003, 06:24AM

YukonBob said...

I've been look at some of satellite photos of the area and thought I'd post a couple to get you in the mood. The first is an overview of the area. The red line on the top is highway 2 and you can see a loop into the western part of the Sierra Pinacate to Tinajas De los Papagos. Our goal will be to get from there to the blue line in the south that shows the road along the railroad.
The second attachment is a closeup of the Tinjas De Los Papagos loop. It's a fascinating area.
Get's me in the mood, let's go http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif . I'll know more by the end of the week, but so far I am hopeful I can make it.

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JackSilb

12-14-2003, 02:51AM

Cool Uwe,
I hope you can make it.

Here is an update on the gear I ordered.
- Cot, arrived, tested, approved by the boss. I will ordersome more. They fit in a nice bag the size of a beach umbrella. Just a couple of pounds heavy I would guess.
- Hats and gloves. Got them. All comfortable and warm.
- Fold-able table. Received and approved. A kind of heavy, plastic cover vs. aluminum, but it will work*
*Al or Uwe, where did you get yours with the aluminum top?
- Got some blankets too.

- Gas and watter cans to arrive this week.

Note: My mother in law is not coming. Maybe by the end of January. No need for that extra seat.

I am going to talk to Marcelo to jump in here.

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 12/15/2003 3:36:26 AM GMT

JackSilb

12-15-2003, 04:03AM

Bob,

I am playing with the maps before the trip for a change.
I can not see any road besides HW2 in the area you mentioned. I am using the Guia Roji. Checked Al's Mexico map, same deal.
I guess I need a better map for this area.
The only other Mexico map I got is the Baja Almanac. It seems good for Baja.
What to get for these kind of trips? More specifically for this trip?
Is there something similar to the Baja Almanac?

Thanks,
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 12/15/2003 5:39:57 AM GMT

WhiteThaiGer

12-15-2003, 04:07AM

JackSilb said...
- Fold-able table. Received and approved. A kind of heavy, plastic cover vs. aluminum, but it will work*
*Al or Uwe, where did you get yours with the aluminum top?

[quote]We have the one with the alu top. Got it a Costco a few years back. Since then I haven't seen it again.

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JackSilb

12-15-2003, 04:11AM

I see.

Marcelo keeps showing me the cool things he gets at Costco. I need to make my membership. That is all I need. One more place to go shopping to end buying unplanned things.
-JACK

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YukonBob

12-15-2003, 06:38AM

Jack said...
I am playing with the maps before the trip for a change.
I can not see any road besides HW2 in the area you mentioned. I am using the Guia Roji. Checked Al's Mexico map, same deal.
I guess I need a better map for this area.
The only other Mexico map I got is the Baja Almanac. It seems good for Baja.
What to get for these kind of trips? More specifically for this trip?

Is there something similar to the Baja Almanac?
I'm glad to see that you checking out the maps. I don't know of any accurate maps of Mexico. We are lucky to have the Baja Almanac. It is detailed but not completely accurate. Traveling in the rest of the country the situation is worse. I travel in Mexico by research and intuition. Sometimes there is a road, sometimes there isn't. The chance of the road being on a map is pretty slim. The satellite images that I've posted on the forum show roads that you won't find on any maps. We'll be going into the unknown hoping to find a path.

AlWalter

12-15-2003, 04:38PM

One of the best maps is the AAA Baja map, This should be a must. There are also 2 topo books of Baja Norte & Baja Sur, they are ok & somewhat usable. They replaced the old Baja Explorer topo map book, which is out of print. In any case, I've never seen maps, even topos, that have all the roads on them.

KG6SGM
Always ready to go.

JackSilb

12-16-2003, 07:09PM

On a separate note, I got the Brazilian maps/books my mother sent through Marcelo. Wait to see them. Satellite photos of the beaches, etc.
I know a lot of people think that Mexico and bellow are all the same. Well, I can tell you that it is not. When I will show you some nice tools to explore it.
Just need to remember to bring these to our next trip.

-JACK

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JackSilb

12-17-2003, 07:56AM

I have some news.

Eric is getting sick. I am a bit too. If he is really getting sick, and it is what is going around, Georgia and the kids will not make to this trip.

I may make Part I then come back to get them for Part III, if they recover by then. Just don't know what to do with Part II. Will know the next days.

Now that I got some gear to make camping more confortable for the family. I guess the problem here was too much planning. Just need to let it happen.

I have way too much planning at work. Need to relax more at the outise world.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 12/17/2003 8:00:25 AM GMT

WhiteThaiGer

12-17-2003, 03:50PM

JackSilb said...
I have some news.

Eric is getting sick. I am a bit too. If he is really getting sick, and it is what is going around, Georgia and the kids will not make to this trip.
I hope it's not that nasty bug we got, it provided us with 4 days of fever, we are now recovering....

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JackSilb

12-17-2003, 05:38PM

He is warm. We will keep checking on him.

Thanks,
-JACK

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YukonBob

12-19-2003, 03:56AM

Sorry to hear the family is ill, Jack. Glad to hear that they aren't so ill you'll be staying home. You're in for a real treat.

We have three vehicles and three people so far. The first post is updated.

Post Edited (YukonBob) : 12/19/2003 5:00:52 AM GMT

JackSilb

12-19-2003, 08:33PM

Bob,

At this point I am in. I will reserve the hotel for the 25 th during this weekend, still need to get the tourist pass next week.
You need to check the gas and water cans I got. Really nice.
I will take some pictures later and share them in the appropriate Thread.

Bob, your firt posting should say Bob and Peggy, right?

-JACK
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YukonBob

12-20-2003, 01:14AM

Jack said...
still need to get the tourist pass next week.
You don't need a tourist card for part one. It's easy to get when you cross for part three at Tijuana. Just wait until then. You do need vehicle insurance and documents to help you get back to this side of the border.

The first post is correct. Just Bob, just Al and just Jackhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smhair.gif

BajaTaco

12-20-2003, 01:41AM

YukonBob said...
The first post is correct. Just Bob, just Al and just Jackhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smhair.gifDang! now I REALLY wish I could go! You guys are gonna have all kindza grubby fun. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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WhiteThaiGer

12-20-2003, 02:34AM

Looks we are in too, I'll probably have final confirmation on Monday! But let me also check with Srisuda, maybe she is going to change her mind when she hears who the cast is http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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JackSilb

12-20-2003, 02:52AM

Will not have anyone to get us out of distractions? Hummmm
Oh well, you take care of me, I take care of Al, Al take care of you.
Like the fox taking care of the chicken house.

Uwe, do you have time Saturday to take care of your 2m antenna issue? If not, Monday or Tuesday lunch time...

I got the reservation for 12/25.They justgot my first name. I guess the place is small.

I would say 4 hours drive to Yuma?

Thanks on the note for documentation.

How much do you guys payfor one year Mexican insurance?
When I do my MExican insurance, I pay 20 p/ day. On these nexttrips, with the dailyprice,I probably can pay for the year insurance...

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 12/20/2003 5:02:07 AM GMT

YukonBob

12-20-2003, 04:37AM

Jack said...

How much do you guys payfor one year Mexican insurance?
When I do my MExican insurance, I pay 20 p/ day. On these nexttrips, with the dailyprice,I probably can pay for the year insurance...
I love this forum.I think you'll find all the information here (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/?f=7&m=317&g=322#m322).

I would say three hours to Yuma. Or if you want to be exact "3:10 to Yuma"

Thanks for checking to see if the motel would be open. I think they only allow one person per first name.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

Uwe said...
But let me also check with Srisuda, maybe she is going to change her mind when she hears who the cast is http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif Heyhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

JackSilb

12-20-2003, 05:08AM

Bob,

It is good you are on the top of it. I remember we discussing this before. Just got lazy (too much going on at work) to take the time to research it again. Sorry, this is not a good excuse.

I will try to get the one year deal. Then I can go any time.

Got to go. I promised my babe that I would get home to take her out by 9:00 PM. It is 9:15, still at work. Got to run.

Tchau (bye),
-JACK

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YukonBob

12-23-2003, 04:36AM

Looks like the field is getting smaller. I've moved Jack to questionable as he seems to be getting sick. Looks like it will be a recreation of July Death March with Al and Bob, just a little cooler. </div>
It's great scenery so if still don't have anything to doafter Christmas we'll meet you in the Sierra Pinacate.</div>

WhiteThaiGer

12-23-2003, 04:46AM

We, yes both of us, are planning on going. Still have to take care of that insurance... and reserve that motel in Yuma, or we go Brazilian and leave here early in the morning...

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YukonBob

12-23-2003, 05:05AM

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

I think your photographer is going to like the scenery.

Don't need to worry about make a reservation the motel in Yuma, I don't think. I've never made a reservation there. At $30 for the motel, you should save yourself the Brazlian aspect of the trip. It's probably going to be a long day anyway.

Anybody else?

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JackSilb

12-23-2003, 10:08PM

Hey Bob,

I am getting sick but not letting it go. I am in.
Unless the sick get bad and I feel I can get you sick, I am in. At this point, it seems to be something easy. I hope this is how to spell it so you guys don't make fun of the gringo here.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 12/29/2003 7:25:12 AM GMT