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JackSilb

12-03-2003, 04:30AM

I need to buy some gas cans.
Here is what I have found so far.
Do you have any better option?

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/transport/scepter/

http://www.nmia.com/~kittycat/binky/binky_jerrycans.htm

http://www.davidsonproducts.com/gastransit.htm

Thanks,
-JACK

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GoodTimes

12-03-2003, 05:07AM

Jack, from the looks of those, they are not legal in California (go figure). There is a "special" can (kinda like a "special" emissions package on cars) for California. It consists of a special "anti-spill" mechanism for the lid. Much like those "child proof caps" on medicine bottles, the anti-spill junk is impossible for any normal human being to operate. They require you have at least 4 hands on 3 arms, and then they cause you to spill more gas than you get into the gas tank, and forget about actually filling the gas can up, that simply cannot be done. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif </div>

Ok, seriously, those don't appear to be legal, because California requires you to have that special lid contraption, and yes,they are a pain in the butt. I bought a pair of the old steel "jerry cans", and they work just fine (if I had somewhere to carry them), the only problem is that they don't have a vent, so I have to install one. </div>
Remember, nothing is illegal until you get caught. Just be aware that some of the CHP have been trained by the DOT to enforce DOT regulations (including the transport of hazardous materials). They carry a DOT badge, and can cite you for breaking any of the transportation laws. The key is to not get caught. </div>
Since I assume you are going to be putting the cans on the roof of the 4-runner, might I suggest that whatever you decide on, be sure it has a pop off vent that will prevent overpressurizing the container, and stay away from dark colors, as they obsorb more heat than lighter colors do. Oh, one last thing, make sure that you don't have a leak in one if anyone is smoking around your truck! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif </div>

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JackSilb

12-03-2003, 05:13AM

GoodTimes,

You are correct. One of the stores don't sell it to CA.
I have one from RuberMade that is then not legal. It is an older container. Huh. I always have it on the top of the 4Runner.

Anyone else that can add to this disucssion?

thanks,
-JACK

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YukonBob

12-03-2003, 05:51AM

I use two of the Rubbermaid containers. I've had them for about five years. I've never had a problem with them under extereme termperature conditions. I carry them on the roof in a soft container on trips that require extra gas.

Harry has done a couple of articles on gas containers. They are probably the best researched pieces on the subject.

I continue to use my old Rubbermaid containers on the belief that it is illegal to sell the old containers in California but it is not illegal to use them. I understand that Rubbermaid has gone out of the gas can business and it's a shame because they are a really good product.

GoodTimes

12-03-2003, 07:53AM

Bob, I think it is illegal to use them, but legal to sell them. I bought my steel gas cans at a 4wd shop in Los Angeles about 6 months ago. When I did, they said that I would not be able to [legally] use them in California. So I promised them that I wouldn't. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ieh.gif

Of course, as it turns out, I never did use them in California (or anywhere else for that matter, I haven't been on any long trips that would require me to carry extra gas).

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BajaTaco

12-03-2003, 02:30PM

Interesting that you brought this up Jack. Were you there on Sunday when I discussed this with the group? I think you had already left. Right after you left, we were talking about the "no-spill" containers.

We obviously have some conflicting info here. Everyone on Sunday said it was illegal to sell the old ones in CA, but it was legal to own them and use them. That makes sense to me, because it would be a logistical and waste-product nightmare to make the entire state of californina dispose of/get rid of their gas cans that they have owned prior to the new regulation. Goodtimes, are you sure?

Jack, regarding those cans you posted, they are all tall and thin. They will raise your center of gravity more than a short and wide can like the one I have seen you carry on your roof rack. Are you planning on mounting them inside the 4runner? If not, I would think a shorter/wider can would be better to keep your center of gravity as low as you can.

I haven't had time to look, but I need to do a search for the low/wide plastic containers that have an o-ring seal and reversable spout (probably like Bob's Rubbermaid units). Let me know if you come across any on the 'net.

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BajaTaco

12-03-2003, 02:52PM

OK, here we go... I have some info

From the CARB (Calif. Air Resources Board) website:

"There is no requirement for owners of gas cans or spouts sold before that date to modify their gas cans or to scrap them and purchase new ones."

This excerpt comes from THIS (http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs189.htm) document.

Also, THIS (http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs309.pdf) document explains the law regarding internet sales of non-compliant containers to CA residents. (.pdf file - Adobe Acrobat reader required). Basically, internet businesses are not allowed to sell or ship non-compliant containers to CA.
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WhiteThaiGer

12-03-2003, 03:26PM

BajaTaco said...
OK, here we go... I have some info

From the CARB (Calif. Air Resources Board) website:

"There is no requirement for owners of gas cans or spouts sold before that date to modify their gas cans or to scrap them and purchase new ones."

This excerpt comes from THIS (http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs189.htm) document.

Also, THIS (http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs309.pdf) document explains the law regarding internet sales of non-compliant containers to CA residents. (.pdf file - Adobe Acrobat reader required). Basically, internet businesses are not allowed to sell or ship non-compliant containers to CA.

</div>Okay, sounds like our info on Sunday was about right then.

Goodtimes said...

Jack, from the looks of those, they are not legal in California (go figure). There is a "special" can (kinda like a "special" emissions package on cars) for California. It consists of a special "anti-spill" mechanism for the lid. Much like those "child proof caps" on medicine bottles, the anti-spill junk is impossible for any normal human being to operate. They require you have at least 4 hands on 3 arms, and then they cause you to spill more gas than you get into the gas tank, and forget about actually filling the gas can up, that simply cannot be done. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

Ok, seriously, ....

No Goodtimes, that was serious already. I swear I have spilled more fuel using those new containers in a few uses than in years with the old ones. Mine now has one of the little plastic pieces in the mechanism deformed. Maybe it was heat, maybe the fact that thatspout sticks out so far andgets in the way, which is another problem with these cans. I believe there is no way you could sell a crappyproduct like this if there wouldn't be alaw!When we gave our fuel to the others on Sunday we almost resorted taking the cap off and use a funnel.It was a new experience to the others, whohadn't seen the new design inaction (in-action)Whoever designed these and the legislators who mandated them should be made to use them just once. Maybe we should send emails to Arnold to termiate them http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hitting.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/smashfreakb.gif

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MrS

12-03-2003, 04:59PM

BajaTaco said...
Basically, internet businesses are not allowed to sell or ship non-compliant containers to CA.

</div>Now we just need to find someone who lives out of Calif. to get these http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif

But who http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif I just can't think of anyone http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif Oh-well, I guess we have to live with the new style cans http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

KF6YSB

GoodTimes

12-03-2003, 05:56PM

Steve, you can buy the "old" style cans at 4 wheel parts (that is where I got mine). Or, we can organize a trail run out here in AZ where we don't have quite so many dumb laws. Then we just make a side trip to the local 4wd shop.

Baja, thanks for the link. My info was based on what a salesman told me (we all know that salesmen are not to be trusted).http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

So what I gather from that document you linked, is that if the cans were made before Jan 1, 2001, you don't need the spill proof crap. IF they were made after that date, then you do. I guess it is time for someone to come up with a date stamp so that they can stamp the cans with a 2000 date.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif Or move to a better state, like AZ.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif

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MrS

12-03-2003, 06:17PM

GoodTimes said...
1. Steve, you can buy the "old" style cans at 4 wheel parts (that is where I got mine).

2. Or, we can organize a trail run out here in AZ

3. Then we just make a side trip to the local 4wd shop.
</div>1. I not set-up and have no plans to set-up proper Mil. or Nato type gas can holders. Hence I hope not to buy that type.I'd like to find the kind Bob talked about, or the Gott.

2. Thats a good plan, even without a need for fuel cans.

3. I hit 5 to 7 auto-parts &/or hardware stores in Az looking for good cans. I don't think 4X parts house will have the type I want.

KF6YSB

expeditionswest

12-03-2003, 08:20PM

Jack,

I have a full set of NATO gas cans, like the ones you have shown. They are fantastic! I bought them about six months ago from british pacific in Valencia http://www.britishpacific.com/offroad/jerryCans.html They are selling them cheap because of the new regs. They also have the nice racks for them.

I use the gravity feed hose to fill up my tank. It has a small one-way valve that allows you to prime the hose to get things started. That way you dont have try to lift the heavy can, fit the spout, etc.
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Post Edited By Moderator (JackSilb) : 12/4/2003 1:31:10 AM GMT

alanh

12-04-2003, 08:52PM

I have a couple of metal 10 litercans from http://www.generatorjoe.net/subcatmfgprod.asp?0=214&1=215&2=-1.I thought they would be better for use on a roof rack since they're shorter and would be easier to get up and down since they're not so heavy. I figured the roof would be the best compromise location. I don't really want them on the inside and on the back seems awfully exposedin a possiblerear-end collision in addition to making it harder to get into the back of the 4Runner.</div>

Alan

GoodTimes

12-05-2003, 12:56AM

Alan H. said...

....on the back seems awfully exposedin a possiblerear-end collision ...

</div>This is a good point to consider when thinking about where to put them. There are many police departments that are looking into replacing their crown victorias with impala's (or was it monte carlo's?) because of the crown vic's tendancy to leak gas when rear-ended. A rear mounted gas can will surely be crushed in even a minor rear end accident, if the vehicle that hits you is tall enough to hit the cans (as opposed to your bumper, etc).

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JackSilb

12-08-2003, 05:37AM

Alan,

I was looking for these in plastic. I agree with your statements.
Boy, I miss not be able to get another 5 Gal rubbermaid.

-JACK

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JackSilb

12-09-2003, 11:18PM

Hello,

I placed an order for two 5 gal gas and one 5 gal watter containers as shown on my first post, MIL spec. They will be shipped to CA no problem. It was not even questioned.

I believe these are as safe as it can be. They meet all the safety standards.

I decided to get the gas containers in red instead of the military green. That may make my life easier when officers check it out. The MIL color would make them take a closer look to see if I am not using anything illegal to street use.
The watter container is blue.

I am planning to use them flat on the roof rack but the water container. I will have to play with their location once I have the roof rack loaded.

Uwe, I know you carry your gas container inside the cabin. I would consider getting one of these mil spec. version.

-JACK

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JackSilb

01-07-2004, 06:50AM

Al and Baja,

Here is the answer for your question during our Baja trip.
http://www.davidsonproducts.com/gastransit.htm
That is where I got my gas and water cans.

Good service. They know what they are talking about.

-JACK
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BajaTaco

01-07-2004, 04:41PM

Thank you sir http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

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JackSilb

01-11-2004, 03:55AM

Here are two pictures showing these gas cans on the roof rack.
I love them!

-JACK

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BajaTaco

01-11-2004, 05:00PM

Way http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif I really like these, they lay nice and flat. They look sharp too. Nice find for Team Brazil!

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Rockcrawler

01-12-2004, 01:23AM

So, no leaks with them laying flat like that??? I can't quite tell from the pic... what type of spout system do they use? This is one of the many things on my wish list... Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Kyle

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Ursidae69

01-12-2004, 06:40PM

You can get the NATO style 5 gallon can from these guys:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/

Here is a longer link (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=ZBQ%2D1410&mscssid=ATVM20Q03HMG9G0 HE344TKV0DEDFC7E2) to the actual gas can.

If that long link didn't work, the Catalog Item #:ZBQ-1410

They are only like 8 bucks, used but new surplus condition. I plan to get a couple more. I have a blitz can that cost 30 some dollars and leaks like a son of a gun.

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Rockcrawler

01-13-2004, 05:46AM

Not bad at all... I'll have to order some... 2 cans and a spout shipped for 28 bucks!

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JackSilb

01-13-2004, 05:47AM

Mine are plastic. Light and no scratches on the roof rack.
No leaks. 100% mil spec cool thing. When I carried them inside the car, no smell. I forgot they were there.
I need to take a picture of the spout another day.

-JACK

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WhiteThaiGer

01-26-2004, 03:07PM

I may have put some new life into my leaking fuel canister (the good kind; see discussion above). Picked up a little O-ring at Home Depot, put it inside the vent cap and let the container sit with fuel on the cap for a few hours. No leak at all. I'll try it on the next trip under travel conditions. Let's see how it does over time with the fuel/fuel fumes getting at it.</div>
Al, I think you had a similar problem with the same kind of canister? The O-ring I got is: '#10 O-ring' 11/16 x 1/2 x 3/32 at $0/24.They had those in the plumbing.</div>

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JackSilb

01-28-2004, 05:46AM

Nice going Uwe. I like to save things. Solving problems is good.

-JACK

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transalper

02-06-2004, 08:21PM

Jack,

Did you get a scepter water can as well? Where do you mount it?

I have one of those scepter gas cans and keep it on the roof as well. No leaks, no scratches, no complaints. My old blitz cans are feeling neglected now.

Jay

JackSilb

02-08-2004, 08:41AM

Yes, I got two gas and one water. Good question on mounting it.
No place yet. I keep it (try to) on the baggage compartment on the side of the ARB freezer. I just did it once. Still looking for the correct location.

-JACK
p.s. I like your 4Runner for what I can see in the AVATAR. Just as some will say, not the optimal color.

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transalper

02-08-2004, 03:25PM

JackSilb said...
Yes, I got two gas and one water. Good question on mounting it.
No place yet. I keep it (try to) on the baggage compartment on the side of the ARB freezer. I just it once. Still looking for the correct location.

-JACK
p.s. I like your 4Runner for what I can see in the AVATAR. Just as some will say, not the optimal color.
</div>In Minnesota we like to absorb the heat and not waste it by reflecting it all away.

Jay - 97 4Runner

BajaTaco

02-08-2004, 04:48PM

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif Jay, we have a sort of running joke around here that if your Toyota isn't white, it's not the right color. (hmmm... I wonder how we came up with that theory... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

Wow, did you see that Jack? I guess it's not so bad to have another color in Minnesota. At least if we were there, white would still be cool. (brrrrr) http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif
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transalper

02-08-2004, 05:03PM

I can't imagine why you might like white Toyotas. :P There are actually very few white Toys around here.

I envy how close you guys are to remote locations. We have to drive 16 hours just to get to the mountains. Luckily we have lots of excuses to build an expedition vehicle. My grandparents live in Deming, NM and we always take the LOOONG way down there. We generally visit during summer vacation, so that's why I'm asking about the scepter water can mounting.

Jay - 97 4Runner

JackSilb

02-10-2004, 05:54AM

Jay,

I hope you can join us one day.
Maybe during your vacation, some place that we need to do some driving too to help you.

Thanks,
-JACK

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expeditionswest

04-29-2004, 02:40PM

CARB Compliant Jerry Cans are now available https://www.expeditionexchange.com/wedco/

This 20-liter Petrol Jerrycan holds 5.3 US gallons of gasoline and is legal for sale in states like California, Delaware, Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania that have adopted CARB regulations for fuel containers. The CARB-Compliant Petrol Jerrycan is red in color to meet DOT regulations for gasoline containers. A CARB-compliant spout is included with every can.

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AlWalter

04-29-2004, 03:55PM

Has anyone had any experience with their spout?
The spouts are where most of the problems lie with the CARB compliant containers.

It also appears that these are metal containers. I kind of like the heavy duty plastic ones that Jack has, a little better.

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WhiteThaiGer

04-29-2004, 04:00PM

AlWalter said...
Has anyone had any experience with their spout?
The spouts are where most of the problems lie with the CARB compliant containers.
I was wondering about that after seeing the spout pictures. Looks exactly like the one my container has (I think it's the same brand), i.e., the kind that gives one problems....

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Ramdough

05-16-2004, 02:32PM

Jack said...
Yes, I got two gas and one water.
Does the water can add any flavor to the water.....say if you left it full in the hot sun for a day or two? I can't stand bad plastic tasting water.

I found this link (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?xax=31274&uu=5231891)where they are $20 each.

I am thinking of using those, in blue like you, for all of my water needs. Just want to make sure they don't taste bad.

JackSilb

05-17-2004, 08:51AM

Good question. I washed mine very well before using. Then after a couple of trips, did a smell test. Was not able to smell anything. I have a BIG nose ...
I have it full in my garage for months now. I will play with it when I have a chance and come back to you.

Anyway, there is cool coating inside the water can. Not found in the gas can.

The water gets in touch with the coating not to the plastic. I believe it is a go!

-JACK

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JackSilb

05-17-2004, 08:54AM

I saw this place when I was getting mines. Where did I get ordering mine? I am sure it is listed above. Some places did have them in stock. Some others did not get a good review from buyers.

-JACK

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Ramdough

05-30-2004, 06:27AM

Ok Guys, I have a rather urgent, quick question.

Background:
I have the metal Nato style Jerry cans. I just ordered 4 20L plastic cans like the MIL ones Jack has. I have two guys that want to buy my metal ones at their original cost (minus shipping). I was thinking of replacing my metal ones with plastic ones so that they all will be the same size. That way I am more modular and I can lay stuff on top of them. I am taking a trip next weekend, so I have to decide if I want to bring my unused cans or sell them now.

Should I sell the metal ones and get plastic ones?

The convenienc of making one rack that will hold both fuel and water is appealing to me.

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GoodTimes

05-30-2004, 02:41PM

I'd keep 'em all the same.....modular is cool, makes building things much easier.

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Tawayama

06-08-2004, 12:04AM

Speaking of gas cans...where is that thread where you guys were talking about having to ditch gasoline at the Mexican border?

I have some people heading to Belize in August, and wanted to give them some up to date, accurate information.

Thanks!

BTW, you can get the Scepter mil. spec. gas cans at:

http://www.pangaeaexpeditions.com

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JackSilb

06-08-2004, 12:44AM

I believe the gas problem was reported by Bob on the preparation for one of ElGolfo trip. I had someone telling me the same problem last week. They turned around and crossed the boarder again with no problems. That is. It can give you problems, but people need to check your truck for them ...
-JACK

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WhiteThaiGer

06-08-2004, 02:12AM

[quote]

Tawàyama said...
Speaking of gas cans...where is that thread where you guys were talking about having to ditch gasoline at the Mexican border?

I have some people heading to Belize in August, and wanted to give them some up to date, accurate information.

Thanks!

I think it's in this thread: http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/?f=10&p=1&m=6437

I take them empty, there is is not much of a saving for the 5-10gal we take these days with gas at over $2.30 here in SoCal. The one time I was pulled into secondary inspection they checked the my gas cans. They were empty and everyone was happy emoticons/cool.gif .

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MrS

09-01-2004, 04:33PM

Just incase this isn't beat-to-death yet.

Here are more (maybe the as ones posted before) From what I heard on the Taco board these are Calif legal cans.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=141863

BTW; while in Alaska Ipicked up two new 2.5 gal gas cans. Haven't pulled them out of the box yet for testing. The ones I got remind me of a cheap version of the old Rubber maid / Gott can. I not real sure about how leak proof these are, but at $5 each, worth playing with.

Iguana4x4

05-21-2005, 10:37PM

www.expeditionexchange.com (http://www.expeditionexchange.com) offers Wedco metal jerry cans in various sizes and colors. They also offer jerry can holders and spouts.

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Goingwayoutback

05-22-2005, 04:22AM

The Wedco water cans are lined with food grade plastic. This keeps the water tasting like water.

Going way outback and picking up other peoples garbage!

Ramdough

05-25-2005, 10:29PM

FYI:

Here is the best price on Nato style gas cans I have found. (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=WMP&categorycode=3317&m frpartnumber=80721)

(Link Back to Ramdough's Main Mod Thread) (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/?f=12&m=8360&g=8360#m8360)

p1michaud

07-26-2005, 04:26PM

Scott you said above: '... The CARB-Compliant Petrol Jerrycan is red in color to meet DOT regulations for gasoline containers...'

There seems to be some confusing info on DOT regulations with respect to coloring. I found this paper on yoatatech.com where the guy said:' There are some internet sites selling jerry cans that state that US Department of Transportation (DOT) regulations require that jerry cans be colored red for gasoline. I have both DOT 178.509 for plastic jerry cans and DOT 178.511 for steel jerry cans: neither regulation requires these cans to be any color, including red; nor can I find any specific requirement for the red color in other DOT regulations for portable fuel containers. If someone can find a DOT regulation that states otherwise, please email the DOT regulation number to me at aldolney 'at' bellsouth 'dot' net...'

Hi name was Al, see post #16 and # 18
Here</font> (http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=26668&highlight=jerry) to get the article.

Use this link</font> (http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/tech_articles.htm) to get to the articles. Look for 'Portable Fuel Storage: Choosing the Right Jerry Can' another good one on 'Water Storage Container Faq'.

I'm not sure wich if the can color is a DOT requirement, but this guy seems to know his stuff. Just trying to make sure we all have the correct information.
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Post Edited (p1michaud) : 7/26/2005 9:35:54 AM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

07-30-2005, 04:46PM

This maybe late for you trip know, but:

I have probably all the model discussed in this tread.

+ I like better the quality of the Plastic mil spec. They do not rust nor will scratch your roof rack. They will make less noise if by any chance you carry a couple inside the cabin (you shouldn't!).

- They did not fit a double carrier that I have. The dimensions are not the same as the NATO like metal version.

+-The Israeli version seems very well built, but it is metal and it is green.

If I would pick one model to be my standard, I would stick with the mil spec plastic version from Scepter.

-JACK

Ramdough said...
Ok Guys, I have a rather urgent, quick question.

Background:
I have the metal Nato style Jerry cans. I just ordered 4 20L plastic cans like the MIL ones Jack has. I have two guys that want to buy my metal ones at their original cost (minus shipping). I was thinking of replacing my metal ones with plastic ones so that they all will be the same size. That way I am more modular and I can lay stuff on top of them. I am taking a trip next weekend, so I have to decide if I want to bring my unused cans or sell them now.

Should I sell the metal ones and get plastic ones?

The convenienc of making one rack that will hold both fuel and water is appealing to me.

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 7/30/2005 10:03:41 AM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

07-30-2005, 04:50PM

They have a really cool coating inside. We took ours to the beach, left at home for a while. No taste.

The blues are no longer manufactured. I could not buy mine 2.5 gal in Blue, go them in desert sand. Try to find an old stock item.

-JACK

Ramdough said...

Jack said...
Yes, I got two gas and one water.
Does the water can add any flavor to the water.....say if you left it full in the hot sun for a day or two? I can't stand bad plastic tasting water.

I found this link (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?xax=31274&uu=5231891)where they are $20 each.

I am thinking of using those, in blue like you, for all of my water needs. Just want to make sure they don't taste bad.

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JackSilb

07-30-2005, 04:51PM

Scott Brady said...

CARB Compliant Jerry Cans are now available https://www.expeditionexchange.com/wedco/

This 20-liter Petrol Jerrycan holds 5.3 US gallons of gasoline and is legal for sale in states like California, Delaware, Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania that have adopted CARB regulations for fuel containers. The CARB-Compliant Petrol Jerrycan is red in color to meet DOT regulations for gasoline containers. A CARB-compliant spout is included with every can.

[jack] moved picture to attachment to help the dial-up folks

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JackSilb

07-30-2005, 04:57PM

Cool.

This is the first time I see someone with real data not "I heard about".

One problem is that the CHP (and other xHP)may not know what the DOT papers said. Therefore, he or she can stop you for questions. Then after a long talk theymay let you go. But if the can, whatever color it has, don't have any "DOT Approved" mark, like the Israeli I got, the discussion will probably be a long one ...

Thanks for sharing the info.

-JACK

p1michaud said...
Scott you said above: "... The CARB-Compliant Petrol Jerrycan is red in color to meet DOT regulations for gasoline containers..."

There seems to be some confusing info on DOT regulations with respect to coloring. I found this paper on yoatatech.com where the guy said:" There are some internet sites selling jerry cans that state that US Department of Transportation (DOT) regulations require that jerry cans be colored red for gasoline. I have both DOT 178.509 for plastic jerry cans and DOT 178.511 for steel jerry cans: neither regulation requires these cans to be any color, including red; nor can I find any specific requirement for the red color in other DOT regulations for portable fuel containers. If someone can find a DOT regulation that states otherwise, please email the DOT regulation number to me at aldolney "at" bellsouth "dot" net..."

Hi name was Al, see post #16 and # 18
Here (http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=26668&highlight=jerry)to get the article.

Use this link (http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/tech_articles.htm)to get to the articles. Look for "Portable Fuel Storage: Choosing the Right Jerry Can" another good one on "Water Storage Container Faq".

I'm not sure wich if the can color is a DOT requirement, but this guy seems to know his stuff. Just trying to make sure we all have the correct information.
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p1michaud

08-10-2005, 09:47PM

Look what I found at my door this evening after work...

I rinced out the water can using a 1 part bleach to 10 parts water as suggested in the Water Storage Faq V2.6 (http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/tech_articles.htm). The fuel can just needs to be filled up. Hopefully I'll get to put them to the test this weekend.
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Post Edited By Moderator (JackSilb) : 8/18/2005 11:43:22 PM (GMT-8)

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08-16-2005, 05:51PM

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gifNice.

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Charger92

08-17-2005, 06:24PM

That green one looks like my 4 red ones distance lost brother. haha!
Have you tried the spout? Make sure you have it good and tight the gasket tends to leak a very slight bit if it's not tight. Tight fixes it. The rubber hose is kind of a weird material. I would expect to see it in a bondage shop but it flows great, quick.
I have had mine for 2yrs this Oct and they hold up awsome. You can even stand on one on it's side when full, to get stuff off the roof of your rig.
I have yet to get the water jug. Do you find the mil of plastic the same (heavy duty)? what about the base size, same (would it fit into a gas can holder on a bumper. beings the gas one does)?

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p1michaud

08-18-2005, 12:53PM

Charger92 said...
That green one looks like my 4 red ones distance lost brother. haha!
Have you tried the spout? Make sure you have it good and tight the gasket tends to leak a very slight bit if it's not tight. Tight fixes it. The rubber hose is kind of a weird material. I would expect to see it in a bondage shop but it flows great, quick.
I have had mine for 2yrs this Oct and they hold up awsome. You can even stand on one on it's side when full, to get stuff off the roof of your rig.
I have yet to get the water jug. Do you find the mil of plastic the same (heavy duty)? what about the base size, same (would it fit into a gas can holder on a bumper. beings the gas one does)?
Somebody'

Charger92, I have not used either container yet. We are heading out this Saturday for a trip and this will be the test trip. Thanks for the heads up on making sure the spout is tight, I'll keep that in mind. I'm planing on using both container on my future safari roof rack, any experience with them laying on their side full of fuel for extended travel? Any leaks?

The water can is as heavy duty as the fuel. Can't tell the difference in thickness if any. They are physically the same size, I'd be suprised if they would not both fit in the same holder. If you go to <u> this (http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/tech_articles.htm)</font></u> and look at the 'Portable Fuel Storage: Choosing the Right Jerry Can' and 'Water Storage Container Faq' articles. They give you exact dimesions.

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Charger92

08-19-2005, 04:29AM

p1michaud said...
. I'm planing on using both container on my future safari roof rack, any experience with them laying on their side full of fuel for extended travel? Any leaks?

The water can is as heavy duty as the fuel. Can't tell the difference in thickness if any. They are physically the same size, I'd be suprised if they would not both fit in the same holder. If you go to this (http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/tech_articles.htm)and look at the "Portable Fuel Storage: Choosing the Right Jerry Can" and "Water Storage Container Faq" articles. They give you exact dimesions.

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Thanks for the link and info. I guess that's the way to go for my water needs. I should of knowen, Scepter makes good stuff.

The gas jugs I have usedinside in the back of my Racmcharger (Not good by fire and safty standards) But if you keep that cap tight, they do not leak. Just check before you put them in, maybe get gas a day before and try it. Then tighten if nessary.
I have had a heck of a time removing the cap after a hard dayof setting up camp and wanting gas for an early morning leave, But with a good pair of work gloves you can do it. I like em tight.
I heard the gasket needs working to make it soft but don't know for sure.

Hope you like em (I do) and they work out for you.

Have a good one.

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Post Edited (Charger92) : 8/21/2005 11:28:45 AM (GMT-8)

p1michaud

08-24-2005, 03:47AM

Thoughts on the new Mil. Spec Gas Can.

I had the opportunity to test out the new Gas Can and pour spout this weekend.Charger92 had warned me to make sure that it is closed good and tight. Well I filledthe can up, put it in the back of the truck and drove all day through some pretty rough stuff and no leaks. Theclear pour spout wasa real nice feature since you can see the gas flow. It took about 1 minute 45 seconds to completely empty the 5 gal (20L) can into the Tacoma at the end of the day. These cans have a small vent path allowing for quick flow.Ido have one concern with the pour spout. When the can was nearly empty it leaked abit of gas out throught the vent hole. I think that it was maily caused because I had the can completely upside down duringthepour. I suspect that if you tilt it back a bit, this would not be an issue.

Another challenge is to figure out a proper mounting, storage locationfor both the water and fuel tank. I'll start a new thread. I would like to keep them separted maily to avoid cross contamination and preferrably standing up. I've heard that somepeople lay them flat on theirroof racks with no issues. I'll have to figure something out. I've got access to some steel and a welder soa custom fab job might be inorder. I have a better appreciation for Bajataco's and Scott's aux fuel tanks now. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif

The issue with this solution is that it's more permanant andI don't need to carry that much fuel on a regular basis.

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PinzEOD

09-07-2005, 07:51PM

The standard rack for the spare NATO can on a Pinzgauer has the can laying flat on its side below the bed and behaind the fuel tank. I've NEVER had a problem with leaking, even over some pretty gnarly terrain. I have two 'used' cans I bought from one of the Pinz retail guys, no leaks there either, and btw, I repainted them red. I also have one of the new CARB compliant NATO cans (raffle prize at a gathering in Eureka NV). The only noticeable difference to me is the shape of the vent tube inside the spout and a safety pin mechanism to secure the lid. No trouble with the CARB nozzle, just don't tip too far too fast, as mentioned in a previous post. Since I have plenty of room, I welded up some lockable racks out of 1/8 x 1 strap steel.In total, Ican secure an additional three NATO fuel cans and two plastic NATO water cans with the setup I have (plus the stock jerry can mounted behind the fuel tank).

http://expeditionimports.zoovy.com/product/20LJCB (new cans)

http://www.swissarmyvehicles.com/surplus.php (used cans)

Also, www.cheaperthandirt.com (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com) has some nifty one gallon cans in their latest mailer. These are great for gear/motor oil and such...no worries about puncturing a plastic bottle.

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JackSilb

09-08-2005, 12:07AM

> When the can was nearly empty it leaked a bit of gas out thought the vent hole.

he he he. I though that I was the problem.

Another problem I have is to carry the spout inside thetruck after using it. It smells. I just got a bag that goes with it. It claims to be gas resistant and not smell. It has a nice zipper on it. Got on the same store:

Matthew Young, President
Davidson Products & Services, LLC
www.DavidsonProducts.com (http://www.davidsonproducts.com/)
1-888-735-4295

Have you guys noticed how the mil spec Scepter plastic cans deform under different altitude and temperature? They look very ugly, but no leak even when using them horizontally. Something to consider when designing the carrier.

I agree, on the carrying Thread. Let me check it out.
-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 9/7/2005 5:21:16 PM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

09-08-2005, 12:16AM

The Water version,

>Do you find the mil of plastic the same (heavy duty)? what about the base size, same (would it fit into a gas can holder on a
> bumper. beings the gas one does)?

It looks to be the same great Scepter quality, great coating. But not using the same handler that can help on two people carrying it. They changed it a bit. Go figure since water is heavier than gas.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 9/7/2005 5:19:45 PM (GMT-8)

p1michaud

09-09-2005, 02:25AM

JackSilb said...
> When the can was nearly empty it leaked a bit of gas out thought the vent hole.

he he he. I though that I was the problem.

Another problem I have is to carry the spout inside thetruck after using it. It smells. I just got a bag that goes with it. It claims to be gas resistant and not smell. It has a nice zipper on it. Got on the same store:

Matthew Young, President
Davidson Products & Services, LLC
www.DavidsonProducts.com (http://www.davidsonproducts.com/)
1-888-735-4295

Have you guys noticed how the mil spec Scepter plastic cans deform under different altitude and temperature? They look very ugly, but no leak even when using them horizontally. Something to consider when designing the carrier.

I agree, on the carrying Thread. Let me check it out.
-JACK

[quote]
[quote]Have you noticed if the bag prevents smell? I'd be interested to knowsince I don't like my sleeping area to smell like gas! It's not a problem when driving but when sleeping in the camper shell I'd prefer to avoid having to smell gas.
[quote]
[quote]I did notice the gas can bulge slightly after being under the sun all day, but nothing major.
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JackSilb

09-09-2005, 09:45PM

I did not try the bag yet. For sleeping, why don't you leave it outside the truck?

> I did notice the gas can bulge slightly after being under the sun all day, but nothing major.

In my case, the combination of sun and altitude make it looks like it will explode. It changes its shape a lot. I would say it gets Oval. Sure I can release the pressure. But that would mean opening the lid. Not a good idea it it seating flat on the roof rack.

-JACK

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p1michaud

09-10-2005, 02:33AM

JackSilb said...
I did not try the bag yet. For sleeping, why don't you leave it outside the truck?

Sure I can release the pressure. But that would mean opening the lid. Not a good idea it it seating flat on the roof rack.

-JACKI do leave it outside the truck when sleeping.

Nope, not a good idea unless you want to give yourself and your truck a gasoline shower. Even less of a good idea at camp near the bond fire or if you smoke...

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RyanW

12-02-2005, 04:39PM

Hello folks.

I work at Scepter. It's nice to see feedback from people such as yourselves.

The slight leaking you're seeing from your 3/4" spouts is normal. It has nothing to do with how tight you reef the thing on either.Attached to the little vent hole in the neck of thefuel cans is a vent tube that runs to the back and then up into the cavity at the back of the handles. When full and sloshed about, a bit of fuel gets into this tube. The flow rate of your 3/4 spouts is not enough to allow air in fast enough to force that trapped fuel back into the can so you see it bleed down the face of the can from that vent hole usually. here is a 1" spout that flows faster that does not have this problem but it doesn't fit into the standard opening ofa car's (or Jeep's) gas tank.

The handle designs of the MWC's (military water cans) and MFC's (military fuel cans) are different by...well, by design!
Three handles on the fuel and one handle on the water. One reason for this is so you can tell the cans apart in the dark by feel. The cap designs are different for this reason too. Mixing up fuel and water in the field can be disasterous.

Ryan

JackSilb

12-10-2005, 05:23AM

Ryan,

Welcome to the Forum. We are sure a group that can give you feedback.

I did notice smell on my Scepter plastic cans and none on the mil spec metal I got recently. Same conditions, store outside the truck on their side.

I posted some questions for you on this Thread (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/?f=37&m=20270&g=26955#m26955). Please consider answering them.

Thanks,
-JACK

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RyanW

12-10-2005, 10:35AM

Hello Jack.

Smell? I assume you mean a fuel smell because if it smelled like plastic, it's supposed to because it's...well because it's plastic!
It's hard for me to answer this one since I'm not there to see (smell) for myself how strong the odour is. The plastic cans ARE more permeable than steel but you shouldn't be able to smell fuel off of the cans outside unless there's some overflow or spillage that's found its way onto the can itself.
The best way to determine if you have a problem would be to take a full can, put it on a table on its side (edge) for a while (1/2 hour maybe) and see what happens. it sounds like this is how you store them anyway. If it leaks at all under this condition, it's definitely not normal. Make sure to really reef down on the cap though. If it doesn't leak then I wouldn't worry.

..going to other thread now.

Ryan