Alaska - Summer 2006 (it is starting to look good) [Archive]

expeditionswest

12-02-2003, 05:10AM

....Jack expressed interest in an Alaska adventure using our own vehicles. As I have been to Alaskaseveral times, and love the place, I say that is a great idea!

To answer Jacks question about trail difficulty. It runs the whole range, but conditions can deteriorate quickly. I have been on several moderate trails that are great fun. Any trail driven without mud tires will be much more difficult.

For more information, see the my full trip reports
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2000/Alaska_2000/index.html
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2002/Alaska_2002/index.html

Hereare a few pictures from my trip report post to get everyone excited...

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2002/Alaska_2002/images/alaska_scenery_jpg.jpg
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2000/Alaska_2000/images/alaska_2000Picture9_jpg.jpg

Post Edited By Moderator (JackSilb) : 7/10/2005 4:00:21 PM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

12-02-2003, 05:15AM

Scott,

Thanks for starting this Thread. I believe 2005 / 2006 is more realistic.

Copied from previous post:

How about we ship the vehicles? Last time I checked it was $400.00 to South America.
a) Drive up, ship the trucks back.
b) Ship them and drive back down.
c) Ship them to Alaska and back.

That will save us some time. Hey good reason to buy a winch.

Thanks,
-JACK

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GoodTimes

12-02-2003, 07:19PM

I may be up for this one, at least part of it. </div>
I have a buddy who lives up in Palmer (outside of Anchorage), and have been thinking about driving up to visit him some time in the next couple years. I would drive both ways, and am thinking about3 weeks for the trip.</div>

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JackSilb

12-02-2003, 07:25PM

3 weeks for the trip?

What is the driving time, the Brazilian way?
What if you see something really cool in the way?

Scott, maybe we should pick Jun 2005 already. That way we can have check on availability and cost. Get some good deal on air ticket, car shipment, and/or a cruise.

I know Marcelo keeps talking about Alaska. But he is in Brazil now. He will probably jump in here.

Thanks,
-JACK

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expeditionswest

12-02-2003, 08:02PM

You could definetaly do the trip in two weeks, but you end up with a lot of time in the car. As for things to see along the way- The entire route is beautiful. You would drive through northern CA, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Yukon Territory and then into Alaska. It is about 2,500 miles each way. You would need 4-5 days to get to Anchorage from L.A. There are a few great trails and along the way (Rubicon for one).

I will have to think about the 2005 option, as my big trips for that year are going to be Argentina (January 2005) and/or Africa.

I could also just fly up there and use one of my friends Jeeps (he has three). We would want him as a guide anyway.

Scott

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JackSilb

12-03-2003, 04:02AM

> Argentina (January 2005) and/or Africa.

I am planning to be in Chile, Argentina, and Brazil in 12/2004 ~ 1/2005.
Why don't you plan to come along. Nothing like having a local in the trip.

Then I guess the Alaska is 2006. Right?
-JACK

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BajaTaco

12-03-2003, 09:07PM

I doubt I would do an Alaska trip driving my own vehicle unless I had lots of time once I got there (at least a month). It just wouldn't be worth the expense or highway time to me otherwise. I can't imagine driving from here to there without spending alot of time along the way - there is just too much to pass by if you are doing a bee-line drive. That's too much steady highway time for me, without exploring along the way. Shipping the vehicle would be cool, but I would want lots of time at the destination to make it worthwhile.

Now, if someone has an extra seat, and all I need to do is buy a plane ticket... http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/idea.gif

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JackSilb

12-04-2003, 01:15AM

Shipping maybe is the way to go.
It will probably be less then renting 4WD trucks for the weeks we will be there.

-JACK
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WhiteThaiGer

12-04-2003, 01:44AM

I'm with Baja on this one. Would love to go, but race up there, spent little time, race back, does not seem right.</div>
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expeditionswest

12-04-2003, 01:49AM

This trip is one of those epics, that you need a sabbatical (or inheritance) for. I have always been fortunate to have my friend Mike living up there with several Jeeps. Shipping the trucks is an option, although an expensive one.

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James Parker

03-11-2005, 06:55PM

It’s funny that I see this thread because I was thinking of making a trip up there in 2006. My little brother is stationed in Okinawa Japan and is PCSing to Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage and I thought about driving up there to see him and play with the truck. I am looking at a 3 week trip total with a week to get there and a week there with maybe a little less time back but not to be in a hurry just a relaxing, fun vacation.

cpatrick88

03-11-2005, 09:31PM

I would like to do the same. Take about three weeks round trip. I figured the milage at around 3200 from Colorado. Thats a lonnnnnnngg drive but its something I have to do. We would want to plan the route inside Alaska ahead of time so we dont get there and not know what to do. I have a couple of good sources we can contact to get route info for the Backcountry. Check out this site for a review of the ACT on this site http://www.xplorn.com/ACT2003/registration.html

This kind of exploring iswhat I would hope to do in Alaska, however Im not sure if other interested parties would want to goso hardcore. Of course I dont plan onsinking my 4runner in a river or anything, but if Im headed to Alaska, I WILL use my snorkel at least a few times.

Goingwayoutback

03-22-2005, 09:27PM

Jack are you still thinking about the Alaska trip? I'm interested. BUT I would bring my family this time.

Post Edited (Going way out back) : 3/22/2005 1:40:36 PM (GMT-8)

Colorado Ron

04-03-2005, 10:04PM

Im interested as well. Lets set a date and run with it. Ill be driving up from Colorado as well. I plan on goin to the Arctic Circle. Also interested in the S Africa deal. Didnt know it was so cheap to ship a vehicle over there?

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expeditionswest

04-04-2005, 04:08AM

I agree with the Arctic Circle! It would be a requirement on the itinerary :-).

I will know more in the next few months. It would be an early summer 06 (mid to late June) trip.

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blupaddler

04-04-2005, 05:57AM

Yeah...definately a trip of a lifetime. I have always wanted to do this trip...ie the alaska highway, etc.
A month or more would be required.

June 2006 sounds like a good time frame. That give me enough time to TRY and get the time off.

WHERE 2 NEXT

robb

VikingVince

04-04-2005, 06:46AM

Yeah! This is one trip that I will defintely do someday in the not too distant future...maybe with all of you...that would be GREAT! It's the ONLY state I haven't been in (no big deal when one used to do alot of work related travel...plus thowing in vacations) and it IS gorgeous with that inimitable call of the wild...but I don't want to do it in a hurry, i.e. drive, drive, drive to get there, then a bunch more driving in AK, turn around and drive, drive, drive all the way back...so we'd need a strong concensus among those going on how we're doing this trip.

Scott, are you sure about 2500 miles Los Angeles to Anchorage or how did you figure it?...alkthough there's pretty much only one way to go once you get a ways into british columbia. Mapquest has it as 3525 miles; I calculated it twice on my atlasand comeup withabout 3600 miles LA to Anchorage. That's 6 days of 600 miles/day and once you get into northern BC,that would besome loooong days. So I figure a week to get there and a week to get back...and that'snot much foolin around on the way...so for me and the way I'd like to do this trip, there's no way I wouldwant to do this in 3 weeks...4 weeks MINIMUM...preferably longer if I can swing it. Anyone else interested in at least a month for Alaska?

Desertdude

04-04-2005, 04:29PM

If this will happen in 06- I would be very interested in going. With that amount of lead time I can always open up the schedule - Wild Salmon - yum yum ;)

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Colorado Ron

04-05-2005, 02:01PM

A month sounds good to me. Ill will drive there and back. Perhaps we should set a date of where to meet in Anchorage. Everyone meet and greet. Then head for the Arctic Circle.

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alanh

04-07-2005, 04:38AM

If it works out, I'd like to do this too and should quit putting it off. Unless its a gigantic crowd, you could stop by my house in Seattle on the way. I wonder what the neighbors would think with a bunch of rigs with all the gear parked in the driveway and on the street?

If you go through Washington, one could take the Alaska state ferry either up or back along the inside passage. The southern terminous is in Bellingham WA and it goes to Haines or Skagway where it connects to the Alaska Highway. Looks like about 3 days from Bellingham to Skagway. There are a number of stops in-between; kind of like the bus, but I don't know if you can easily get off and back on to see some of the places along the way.

Price may be a bit steep, but I haven't compared it to how much gas you might use driving. You have to put in a few pieces of info on the vehicle, to get a price (these are 2005 numbers) but I tried 2 people in an SUV, 17 feet long and more than 6.5ft high and it came out to $1650 dollars. This doesn't include a cabin, but a lot of people kind of camp out on the boat and they don't have a problem with that.

Alan
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RidgeRunner

04-21-2005, 10:12PM

My wife and I are sailing from Bellingham on July 22 on the Alaska Marine Highway (https://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/index.html)through the inside passage. We'll stop at Juneau for a couple days to explore and then catch another ferry to Skagway (http://www.skagway.org/).

Alan is right, you can camp on board (but not in your vehicle) or pay for a cabin. We opted for the cabin.

From Skagway, we'll drive into Yukon Territory to Whitehorse then on up to Alaska. We'll head down through Anchorage and on to Kenai Peninsula for a few days in Seward and a few in the Homer area to visit friends, fish, hikeand relax.

We plan to drive via the Stuart Cassiar (http://www.bell2lodge.com/)Highway in northern B.C. on our way back home to Portland.It's supposed to be a very scenic route.

Anyone else planning to be up there during that time? Maybe we could meet up. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif We'll keep you posted.

Mick

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chet

04-26-2005, 09:32PM

if this happens in 2006 I would be really interested in meeting up with any of you. I am in Bc, Canada on Vancouver Island. Best scenery on the Bc coast! I have met quite a few people that have driven the route through the Yukon and everyone has good stories!

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bufeo

04-27-2005, 03:30AM

I hadn't posted anything on this thread before because our Summer '05 plans were in limbo, but it looks as though we will once again be trekking to the Yukon and Alaska.

My first trip was on the Alaskan Highway in the winter of 1959. Great fun; big adventure for a 22-yr-old driving a Ford station wagon pulling a trailer. No expedition vehicle that. Trip was only three weeks.

Next trip (driving) was 1973 in our '73 Chev 4X4. That summer we chose to zig-zag the Fraser River, make our way out to Prince Rupert with many side trips, and then go north on the newly-opened-to-the-public Stewart-Cassiar Route. If I remember correctly the route had been opened in '72 for a short summer, and in '73 one still had to get a "Permit" to travel the road because it was primarily a logging road. We were "allowed" to travel only between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. to lessen the chance of encountering logging trucks. The road in most places was only a single-track and the trucks took up that and more. The road was all dirt then; sadly now it is nearly entirely paved. After Watson Lake, we ventured out to Atlin Lake, B.C., then on up to Carmacks, Dawson City, over to Denali Park, down to the Kenai Peninsula, then returned on the Alaskan Ferry System (the ferryboat Malaspina). Trip was nine weeks.

Again in 1988 we struck out again with our Jeep Cherokee, loaded to the gills, 24-yr-old daughter, and picked up a friend who flew to meet us in Smithers, B.C., then on to Skagway, AK, again via the Stewart-CassiarRoute (then mostly paved).From there we went by float-plane out to Lemusurier Is, south of Gustavus, for a week or ten days. That year we returned via the Alaskan Highway with many stops and once back in the U.S. spent some time in Montana and Idaho. That was the year of the big fire in Yellowstone. We had been fishing the Galatin Riv the day it started and wisely headed south the next day.

We've made several other trips by plane and rented vehicles once arriving in either Ak, YK, or NWT.

This coming summer we plan to go again very slowly with many stops along the way to make base camps then venture out on side roads that we eschewed in the past. B.C. and YK hold much appeal for us, as well as making the "final assault" on the Arctic Circle. We failed in '73 owing to regulations precluding us from driving the "surveyors route" of the road up to Prudhoe Bay. I thought that my skills at persuading were good, but they weren't that good.

I would like to propose that should several of us undertake this trek north that we pick some places to either meet or leave messages for each other. GPSs being what they are "cache-ing" shouldn't present a problem. In '73 we had friends preceding us and we were able to obtain their msgs w/o the aid of GPSs--just good ol' dead reckoning and landmarks.

We don't want to butt in to any trip that is being planned already, but would hope to at least make contact along the way. We'll be towing our ATRV trailer and won't be in a hurry, but we aren't afraid to tug this little guy over rough roads. There are some wonderful side trips long before reaching Alaska. In fact, I would say that in the case of driving to Alaska it definitely is a case of "it's the journey".

Okay, now that we've met the good peoplelet's find thebad roads!

31BoxCanyon

05-14-2005, 04:09AM

I'm new here but.....I like the idea of meeting in anchorage mid June'ish for a run to the circle. We take a MH towing the TJ up every 2 years for a couple of months fishing. (Lived up there in the early 80's) amd mext year is the year. Yuhhh

Joe
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Goingwayoutback

05-21-2005, 05:24PM

JUNE 2006? Is it to soon to set a date? I would be in for at least 5 weeks no problem. To me 4 weeks would be minimum ( I agree with you Viking Vince) For us we would just drive the entire distance. I'm not to keen on ferrys. Just a phobia of mine. Anyway I would love to drive up with a group or at least with another vehicle. Since I have never been to Alaska I would appreciate a little help in getting my vehicle out fitted for this trip (advice that is). I already have selectable lockers front and back along with a front 12,000 lbs winch. I'll add 35 or 37 inch super swamper TRXUS tires along with a rear winch. But how about the camper section. What kind of weather can we expect for a June 2006 departure date. I know Scott has been there along with a few others. Any advice would be appreciated!

(So lets get a departure date set with in the next week or so. We can then start to really plan for this trip)

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Goingwayoutback

05-21-2005, 05:24PM

Goingwayoutback

05-22-2005, 04:53AM

I just talked to a friend and he suggested Mid to late July. The ground will be not as wet and you get the longest days then. So how about we leave on July 8th 2006. That should put us up in Alaska mid July. The 8th is the second Saturday in July 2006.

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expeditionswest

05-22-2005, 07:00PM

What happens with a few proposals I have for my company (software) will determine whet happens with this trip. I will know more in the next 6-8 weeks...

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blupaddler

05-26-2005, 02:28AM

July!!!

Why does everyone have to take vacations in the summer? Especially long ones. I want to go, but, June-September I only get two weeks off. Maybe I could fly up and take a seat in someones truck. Arggghhhhhhhhh!!!

WHERE 2 NEXT

robb

Goingwayoutback

05-28-2005, 12:19AM

I was able to meet alot of relatives this week and most of them lived up in Alaska for years. They were saying to leave in June and get up there in the beggining of July. So I think if we can leave late June early July we should have the best weather for that year. I have many brains to pick but so far theve said NO to Artic circle unless yoiu just want to drive alot and not see much. BUT still its cool to say youve been there. Anyway lets set a date in 8 or 9 weeks. That should give Scott enough time.

(BLUPADDLER CALL IN SICK;-) We wont tell!)

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Joe Walsh

05-30-2005, 06:10AM

I New to this form, I have been reading a few postings, about a possible Alaska trip some time in 06? I am also new to the idea of off-roading . Currently I have a 02 trooper S G80 limited rear, 30” tires Bridgestone REVO… not sure if this would be enough tire for trip into Alaska interior? Further, not sure what other vehicle up-grades are needed to delve into the interior However, I would be very interested in making such a trip? Curently living in CA however, July 05 will be moving back to Aurora, CO. I do have a sleeping bag! jpwalsh1277@aol.com

Goingwayoutback

05-30-2005, 04:46PM

Welcome to the forum Walsh!
For an Alaska trip 95% will be on road if not more. The problem will be those remaining 5%. First and for most is the tires. You will need a very good tire for the terrain we will be on. From what I have been told by Scott who has been to Alaska and actually wheeled there he says we will need mud terrains. Most mud terrains are very good so any mud terrain from a good manufacturer should work fine. I will be using Super Swamper TRUXS tires 35'. So now that we have tires that will get traction in this terrain we need to look at how many tires will actually be pulling us through the grime. I would say the minimum should be a high quality limited slip front and selectable locker for the rear (just my opinion I would ask Scott Brady since he has been there) If you can go ARB lockers front and rear I would do that. As far as what should be inside for such a long camping trip I would say at least and ARB or Engel freeze fridge, medium size cooler,2 burner coleman stove,pots pans and dishes/utensils for (X)number of people, at least 10 gallons of water storage, tons of baby wipes/ toilet paper, porta potty ect ect ect. For recovery gear you would need a good winch (Warn) with twice the capacity of your vehicles GVRW (mounted up front for this trip) (4) D shackles, snatch block, (2) recovery straps, (1) tree protector strap, Hi lift jack, small and full size shuvels, axe, band saw, pruners, High quality air compressor a nicely put together first aid kit (Not a store bought cheapy) and so on. The trick though is not to exceed your vehicles GVWR. You will also need to keep the weight as low as possible. This includes the extra fuel you will need to carry either in a second fuel tank or jerry cans (Not U.S. fuel cans-try Wedco) Of course the fuel should be carried outside so youll need a rear storage rack (all recovery tools should be outside as well as low as possible not on the roof) Then youll need to find a way to secure everything inside your vehicle incase you roll over. So there is alot to think about. I am no expert and I know there are alot of things I didnt mention. Hell I still havent figured out how I'm going to carry everything in my new truck. I didnt have everything figured out when I went on the Mojave trip in my Jeep GC with the group a few months ago. That trip really showed me what I needed but most importantly what I didnt need or how much I didnt have to have. I never thought I would say this but I had way to much beer! I still have 2 bottles in my fridge from that trip! Speaking of which. OK now I have 1 beer left. Anyway on (this) trip you need to be as independent as possible. Yes we will be there to help you get unstuck ect ect but plan as if no one else was there (equipment wise). If you are the only one always getting stuck then it kind of takes the fun out of a trip for you. Everyone gets stuck. If we didnt then everyone would be going off road. But for a trip like this we need to really prepare since we will be far from any help. Dont let any of this discourage you. You should also hook up with some of us for weekend trips. If your going to Colorado from Ca then you may want to stop by here and go on a Ghost town run with me. I live next to Ely Nevada. Private Message me and I'll give you my phone number and directions. I'm going today to check out a local Ghost town for a trip I hope Bruce and Vince will come to (along with anyone else 7 vehicles max) Anyway PM me and we'll talk.

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31BoxCanyon

06-01-2005, 01:25AM

As time gets closer it would be helpful for an "expert" to say a bit about going through Canada customs etc. I am a little bit out of date but such things a "packin heat" (no pistols), bear spray, food etc. I have had varying experiences with both Canadian and US customs/immigration on Alaska trips. I'll try to look up a link. For the fishermen here is a great fishing site www.alaskaoutdoorjournal.com (http://www.alaskaoutdoorjournal.com) . And if you make the trip and don't wet a line you are nuts!!

Joe
2002 Wrangler
LSD, stick, soft top

Post Edited (Bump) : 5/31/2005 6:30:29 PM (GMT-8)

Goingwayoutback

06-07-2005, 04:46PM

Just so everyone knows its not illegal to bring firearms into Canada. Some yes but not all. For the purpose of this discussion bear protection weapons are allowed. Fees and permits apply but they are allowed. Of course we will need to check again before we go so as not to break any new laws that may come up.

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JackSilb

07-10-2005, 07:21PM

Hello fellows,

This Thread advanced since I last visited it.

Is time to compile a summary table?
How long will the entire trip take, who is planning to drive , who is planning to fly, driving itinerary, a family trip or just boys trip, how much do we estimate to spend ($$).

I 've been to Anchorage twice for work. Believe it or not, never was able to travel around ...

Let me read back from the start to see if I can find information on how long would be from San Diego, without blowing some good stops in the way. + Thena Colorado trip would not happen in 2006.

-JACK

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After some re-reading, Ithink 3 to 4 weeks is what people are talking about. If I plan a head I believe I can pull this off at work.

Since people want to spend more time exploring, I would say the option of driving in, then shipping the trucks back is probably the best. That way, you are not worry in getting back to work while still doing some exploration. Once you are done, you fly home and start working while your truck is coming. Also, this can add to the experience for other trips where one need to ship the truck.

I would say we would need some locals to host us and show their favorite trips.

I am not up to the hard core trails. I rather see more than spending hours to move a couple of miles.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 7/10/2005 12:44:27 PM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

07-10-2005, 07:35PM

Going way Outback said...
Jack are you still thinking about the Alaska trip? I'm interested. BUT I would bring my family this time.Me too. That would be the first option. I am sure this one they would not like to miss.

Would you drive the way in and out?
Ship in drive out?
Drive in ship out? (starting to like this more)

Who around here has experience shipping trucks? (by sea, by land). In this one, I hope is still treated as shipping within the US only.

Here is one idea. The AZ folks share a container with the CA folks. When the trucks arrive we plan a weekend trip to use your travel.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 7/10/2005 12:48:55 PM (GMT-8)

alanh

07-11-2005, 02:25AM

Jack,

If time is available, I still think the best option is to drive up or down and then take the Alaska state ferry the other direction..

I'd like to do this too if the schedule works out. I might add a couple of inches of lift to the 4R between now and then, but don't forsee it ever turning into an Alaskan mud-bogging machine. (I'm not sure I'd want to drive such a machine that far anyway.) Maybe there could be too options: moderate difficulty sight-seeing and a hard-core trail version.

Alan
KE7AXC
2000 4Runner

JackSilb

07-11-2005, 03:56AM

Same here, I am not planning to do the trails Scott had some pictures off. Mud terrains will be probably the main change.

-JACK

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cpatrick88

07-12-2005, 07:36PM

Currently I am planning to make this trip as well. If it means quitting my job to do that...then so be it! We are only on this planet for a moment anyways. I would like to do the drive one way/ferry the other. My thinking is drive to and ferry from. This will be a looooonnngggg drive up and after a few weeks of backcountry exploring...I can see a relaxing ferry ride home as a good way to wind down. I like Alan's idea of having a moderate and a hard core route mapped out. Although...I feel like any one with 33's and a few inches of lift will be fine on most of the terrain. Just need good tow points and lots of really stretchy tow straps. I guess it depends on how down and dirty you really want to get. Based on what I have read and pictures of past Alaskan Cruiser events, waterproofing will also be of utmost importance as much of the backcountry exploring will include deep water crossing...up to 48' in certian places. Im sure we could aviod some of this to an extent...but then we should be prepared to encounter anything and everything. I am really looking forward to this trip...cant wait.

Goingwayoutback

07-12-2005, 09:47PM

Hi Guys,

Well I am up for the drive up into Alaska and then Ferry the truck back. I will have my family with me so real hard core 4x4N is not in my plans. I would like to wheel pretty good though. Medium to difficult will be fine but not anything more if possible (it doesnt even have to be difficult but I do want some mud action http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif) My goal for this trip is to see as much of Alaska as I can, do some fishing (not to much) a little gold panning and just hang out with friends and nature. As far as vehicle mods go I plan on a Flip Pac-ARB fridges-Honda 2K generator-built in fender well water storage tanks-extra fuel tankand 35" Mud tires. Other than that I think we will be prepared. Oh yes I need to get my ham license.

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31BoxCanyon

07-13-2005, 02:01AM

What do "We" mean when we say Alaska. Southcentral or Anchorage, ?? Fairbanks. Maybe we ought tosort of define the route. That will helppeople determine how long it would take to get to a group jumpoff point.If the $$ make sense then shipping back is sure a time saver.If you think gas is expensive where you live wait until you are in the YukonTerritories.When we drive Seattle to Anchorage it is 2500 miles and the bestI have made it in is 4 days. Grant you a copilot driver and long hours can cut that down. You never know the road conditions from year to year and what construction is going on...there is always construction. And in June they have not had time to repair the frost heaves (think of speed bumps..some marked andmany not). In fact depending upon the damage it can take all summer. We always leavethe Seattle area about the first week ofJune. Anytime in June you are going to run into lots of "tourists" on the Alcan, and motorhomes and 5th wheels tend to back up traffic. Those who want to learn about the BC, YT, Alcan roads/routes might want to buy/borrow a copy of the Milepost. It is updated each year. I have seenit in Barnes andNoble in the travel section.

Joe
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LSD, stick, soft top
Skid Row "under belly"
31 inch ProComp

JackSilb

07-13-2005, 05:55AM

Joe,

I did not know you had so much experience in this route.

Anyone with an idea on how much is to ship the trucks back vs. the Ferry?
Better start playing the lottery.
-JACK

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alanh

07-13-2005, 03:40PM

Jack,

One would probably have to call some auto shippers to get some quotes for shipping from/to yourcities of choice. I don't know about shipping to AK, butI think most of the continental US shippers won't make any guarantees about specific dates for pickup and delivery, so that may be an issue. There may be AK shippers who regularly deal with vacationer vehicles and all the extra stuff in them, but the domestic shippersusuallylikeempty vehicles, sothat may be a consideration as well for insurance and cost purposes.

The summer 2005 Alaska State Ferry rates say it costs $836 + 10% fuel surcharge from Haines to Bellingham, WA for a vehicle less than 19 feet long. Its about $310 +10% per person for passengers 12 or older (driver NOT included in vehicle cost). It looks like it takes from 2 to 4 days for the trip depending on the intermediate port stops. Ferries only leave Haines and Skagway on Sundays and Mondays for the full route to Bellingham so scheduling isn't real flexible. The big + for doing this (if you have the time) would be the sightseeing opportunities. It might be a lot better for someone like me in Seattle who wouldn't be faced with a couple more days of driving after the ferry ride.

Alan
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Goingwayoutback

07-13-2005, 04:53PM

The Ferry sounds like the best route to go. I guess once 'WE' as a group decide on what areas we have to see then we can start to break the trip down into a definate route. We need to have a start point and an end point. I say Seattle for the start and finish. Since we all need to head that way from various locations in Ca. Nv. ect ect. Then from the return ferry trip we can just depart company or break into smaller groups like a San Diego or L.A. bound group versus us NV guys. Anyway thats my 2 cents so far.

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JackSilb

07-13-2005, 08:32PM

Going way Outback said...
The Ferry sounds like the best route to go. I guess once "WE" as a group decide on what areas we have to see then we can start to break the trip down into a definate route. We need to have a start point and an end point. I say Seattle for the start and finish. Since we all need to head that way from various locations in Ca. Nv. ect ect. Then from the return ferry trip we can just depart company or break into smaller groups like a San Diego or L.A. bound group versus us NV guys. Anyway thats my 2 cents so far.

Sounds like a plan.
Lets keep talking.

Once I have a chance, I will call some companies in Alaska to check on prices:

Truck/Land shipping vs. containers by ship may be an option too. On a 40' we can ship two trucks back.

I agree, the ferry is appealing for the trip itself. But cost and time will probably kill it for me.

- JACK

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JackSilb

07-17-2005, 01:40AM

Here is what the August 2005 Adventure magazine is about.

-JACK

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Goingwayoutback

07-17-2005, 03:10AM

I'll pick it up.

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31BoxCanyon

07-19-2005, 12:15AM

My thumb hit the send button on the last message before I was done...sorry...Alaska Vehicle Transport(253-874-9919)has terminals in Anchorage and Federal Way Wa.They quoted me $790 to transport a pickup terminal to terminal. Shipping time 5-6 days. Concerning routes we have driven the Alcan 2 1/2 times north and 3 times southbound. The half is because we took the Alaska Marine Highway northbound one time. We always drive the Alcan one direction and the Cassiar Highwaythe other direction. The Cassiar is just plain beautiful, has slightly less traffic than the Alcan.(However it does have 18 wheelers hauling butt but so does the Alcan it just appears they are traveling faster on the Cassiar.)We also drove the Denali Highway between Cantwell and Paxton in 2003 as a day side trip. The roadwas veryrough gravel washboard but had caribou and other wildlife, over very flat terrain.I don't think we saw more that 2 cars on the route.The wife and I are making the trip departing Federal Way, Wa the first week of June next year.We spend 2 months in Ak with a motorhome and the TJ. Sure hope our paths cross with those making this trip.

Joe

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JackSilb

07-19-2005, 05:53AM

Joe,

This is great info. Once it gets toward the end of the year/ new year and I can secure some $$, I will start the research on the transport and associated cost.

So nice to chat with people that did it before. It makes life so much better.

What is a terminal to terminal here? Lets say Anchorage to San Diego?

Thank you!
-JACK

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Goingwayoutback

07-19-2005, 04:23PM

Hi Jack,
I may be able to help you out on the transport of your vehicle. Check your PM box.

Also can we propsoe a date so that I may beable to save those weeks at work? I say Depart last week of June come home end of July?

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31BoxCanyon

07-19-2005, 05:39PM

Jack....they quoted $1500 for a Toyota 'with nothing unusual about it'. My guess from your pic is that there is something unusual about yours (height)which probably has a plus up on the cost.

For anyone interested in Alaska Marine Highway, they say their 2006 schedule will be out in 'Oct/Nov'.

Joe
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31 inch ProComp

mein_pappa

07-20-2005, 07:12AM

I would so like to go on this. Once we can agree on dates and travel methods (shipping, ferry, driving) I can try and reserve dates at work.

AK in a year would rock. I've only been one other time - met my parents up there in their RV for a week and hiked a bit, did some white water near Denali NP, drove the Haul Road as far North as the Arctic Circle (would love to take it all the way N even though there's not much up there - just for the trip), hung out in Seward for the race up Marathon Mtn. and the hike up Exit glacier - and it was for 10 days surrounding the 4th of July weekend. AK is awesome. Nothing like it - well, maybe just for this Californian.

I would soooo love to go back and see some of the country between here and there.

JackSilb

07-24-2005, 07:25AM

Going way Outback said...
Hi Jack,
I may be able to help you out on the transport of your vehicle. Check your PM box.

Also can we propose a date so that I may beable to save those weeks at work? I say Depart last week of June come home end of July?

Talking about a specific time will help we all plan.

Since I don't have any other plans at this point, I am OK with basically any dates. Once volleyball tournaments are posted for next year, I will be able to narrow the dates.

Don't holdany plans because of me. I am interested but can not confirm until early 2006. Needto make$$ and manage the family time to be able to confirm.

Thanks,
-JACK
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Goingwayoutback

08-01-2005, 05:50AM

I understand. maybe we should wait just a bit on the dates until we all have some time later this year to see how we are doing for money and vacation time.

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JackSilb

08-15-2005, 03:51AM

But we can start to talk about $$.
Can we start a list of for sure cost?
Gas, hotel, food, shipping the truck back/transportation.

-JACK

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 05:31PM

OK lets figure a route first. We need that to start to figure out a rough budget. I picked up the National Geographic Adventure Magazine and really like the route they took into Alaska. I say we follow the same route and then explore 4x4 trails along the way. If we go by that route I can come up with an estimated fuel cost, days on the road, meals ect ect. We will need a meeting location. I suggest Seattle Washington for the whole group.

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 06:24PM

The Route

I was told Fairbanks is about as far North as you would want to go. The Artic Circle is pretty boring but can be included. That will add alot of time. I suggest the following as a route:

L.A. to Seattle. Seattle to Fairbanks. Fairbanks to Anchorage via route 3 (Denali National park). Anchorage to Homer. Homer to Whittier. Whittier to Cordova via a ferry (Prince William Sound area) Cordova to Valdez via ferry. Valdez back to Seattle. Seattle to L.A.This is just a suggestion. For those who wish to ship their vehicles home we can come up with a seperate route for departure.

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 07:01PM

Mileage for Alaska round trip
OK here are the numbers for the Alaska trip.

7671 miles (all road no 4x4 trails added yet)
127 hrs of driving (all roads no 4x4 trails added)
127 /4.23 hrs of driving per day (60 mph average)equals 30 days
This route is as followsL.A. to Seattle= 1145 miles
Seattle to Fairbanks=2280 miles
Fairbanks to Anchorage=359 miles
Anchorage to Homer=220 miles
Homer to Whittier=183 miles
(ferry from whittier to Cordova then to Valdez)
Valdez to Seatlle=2339 miles
Seattle to L.A.=1145 miles
Total:7671 miles
127Hrs of drive time @ 60 MPH average
4.23hrs a day driving @ 60 MPH for 30 days
Average of 253 miles a day

This of course is the first draft. I can see we will be changing it often until our final plans are set. Please feel free to pick it apart or suggest anything.

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 07:17PM

As far as 4x4 trails lets add 300 miles worth and5 days to the trip. (This is of course a very rough guestimate) We need someone who knows of 4x4 trails along this proposed route. We can always shorten the route too. We could also just pick and choose 4x4 trails along the way and delete sections of the proposed route. We need to get a list of what everyone who plans to go what they "Must See".

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 07:53PM

BUDGET
OK for the budget. For me gas will be the largest expense at10 MPG (Worst case senerio) for 8000 miles x $3.20 a gallon =$2560 (again the absolute worst case. I expect to pay $1800 to $2000 for gas but will budget for $2560) As you can see I added extra miles.

You guys who get great milage will probably spend half of this. ($1000 to $1400) I average city and town 14.7 MPG (new motor)

Food: $100 for 10 nights (restuarants) $40 for 20 nights. $1800 Again worst case senerio.We plan on eating from the camp stove most nights. More likely $700. Remember I have 4 people 2 adults 2children.

Lodging: This depends on the group as a whole. I would like to camp most nights but know the kids and wife would like a motel every now and then. 5 to 10 nights $500. This is once every 3 to 5 nights

So here isa verybasic budget. For me about $5000

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Goingwayoutback

08-15-2005, 08:50PM

here is a link I found from the first Alaska Jeep Jamboree
http://www.4x4now.com/jjhpa96.htm
Ithought we could add this to our trip.

Here is another link for an off road club in Fairbanks. http://www.arcticoffroad.com/index.php I'm sure we could contact them for help in locating trails or even ask for a guide or two. (we should pay for their gas and provide lunch ect) I think finding off road trails will now be easy. We just need to locate the local 4x4 clubs. here is an article on the Alaskan Highway. Good read.
http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/akhwy.html

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Goingwayoutback

08-16-2005, 02:09AM

Read last 6 posts.

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31BoxCanyon

08-16-2005, 03:27AM

Outback

I'd suggest you reduce your average speed you used in the computation once you leave the Vancouver BC area to about 45-50 mph until you reach the Tok Ak area. And the trip between Anchorage and Homer (depending upon the day of the week) is going to be about the same. (Friday and Sunday will be slower due to the weekly migration from Anchorage to the Kenai P)

If you want to save some money skip the ferryrideto Whittier. There is not much to see there,it is an old WWII town (big fuel depot/farm)that has had a small rejuvination in the last few years with the addition of afew small (Mom and Pop or Dick and Jane)food places.There is a new nice tunnel that allows you to drive from Anchorage to Whittier. You pick it up in the Portage area. For those that really want to see Whittier make it a side trip (in and out) on the way to Holmer. Don't miss the Salty Dog in Holmer.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/beertoast.gif Bring your business cards to post on the wall. There is sawdust on the floor, and various hats and pieces of female clothing on the ceiling from previous customers. It is not rowdy and probably can only hold 30 or so customers. It is a laugh. There are lots of spots to "camp" on the spit in Holmer. Ithas beenwindy there most of the time we have been there.

Joe
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Goingwayoutback

08-16-2005, 04:09AM

Must see while in Alaska

Please feel free to add to this list what you want to see while in Alaska or on the way / from.

Homer Alaska: Salty Dog saloon / restuarant

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Goingwayoutback

08-16-2005, 04:11AM

Thankls for the info BUMP! I hope we average 6 to 8 hrs a day,70 to 75 in Ca,Or and Wa.. I want to see Valdez any suggestions? I thought a short ferry ride would be ok. Do you know the costs? Thanks again.

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Goingwayoutback

08-16-2005, 04:47AM

Hey guys here is a link to the Ferry system in Alaska. I must say they ferry to Washington is pretty dam expensive! It would be cheaper to drive for sure. The ferry ride though from Whittier to Valdez is pretty good. a little diffrent way to travel. This way we get to see some Glaciers and Prince William Sound. Let me know what you all want to do.

http://akmhs.com/index.cfm?QSDepPort=265&QSArvPort=261&x=60&y=9

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JackSilb

08-16-2005, 03:51PM

Someone was busy yesterday.

THANK YOU.
Let me digest these.

-JACK

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Goingwayoutback

08-16-2005, 05:42PM

Yes I was. Since I figure I'm the one with most amount of time to blow I should do something with it.

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Ursidae69

08-18-2005, 08:27PM

I was told Fairbanks is about as far North as you would want to go. The Artic Circle is pretty boring but can be included. That will add alot of time. I suggest the following as a route:
I'm inclined to agree with this. When I was in Fairbanks in 2002, I drove north trying to get to the arctic circle. After several hours, I gave up and turned around at the big river, forgot the name of it. It was very boring north of Fairbanks. Wish I could do a trip like this, but I'll just read and hear about you guys this time. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

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mein_pappa

08-18-2005, 10:26PM

[quote]

Bump said...

rideto Whittier. There is not much to see there,it is an old WWII town (big fuel depot/farm)I'll second this. Whittier is pretty much a one street town which dead-ends into a fuel depot. It is, however, home to the worlds most expensive burger stand. :)

As for the drive up the haul road... When I was up there I thoroughly enjoyed renting a car and driving up to the Arctic Circle (about 4.5 hours out of Fairbanks, andcrossing the Yukon river) and would definately enjoy going all the way up to Prudhoe Bay - which would be a 2 day excursion with 8+ hours of driving each way. The road itself is a bit like a well maintained forest service road. A very beautiful drive but it's definately not everyone's cup of tea.

31BoxCanyon

08-18-2005, 11:31PM

Allen, that trip up the haul road, in a RENTAl car, allowed in the contract?...it must have been a rent a dent.

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31 inch ProComp

Goingwayoutback

08-18-2005, 11:59PM

Well if its 4.5 hours out of fairbanks then we should go just to say we have been there. The reason for the Whittier excursion is so we can take the ferry to Valdez. Keep the ideas coming!

So should we make the artic circle a destination?

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31BoxCanyon

08-19-2005, 12:30AM

Here is an extract from an article on tunnels, in todays Anchorage Daily News....

"Whittier is a town long in search of an identity. A year-round community of 172 who mostly all live in a single building, the city is known more for the promise of what lies beyond it than for what is actually there.
The tunnel wasn't built for access to Whittier, it was built for access to Prince William Sound, and it's no secret to say that Whittier just happens to benefit from it," said Whittier Mayor Lester Lunceford.
"I hate to say it, but if the novelty of a long tunnel is what brings (people) here then more power to it. Then maybe we can keep them here and take them out on the water and show them what a glacier's like."

Joe
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JackSilb

08-19-2005, 04:22AM

Ufff, I was able to catch on the reading here.

Was the $5K including two ways driving from LA?

By the way the 10 mph is what I will get with my TLC. What are youplanning to drive thatalso makes10 mpg?

A problem for me will be how to pass places I have not visit yet. I can't just not spend some time with Allan. The folks in Seattle, Oregon, and Canada(?). Let me see the route on a map.

I missed on my original estimate. For some reason I thought the driving to Alaska would not take more than a week including 2 days exploring. Then explore for 3 weeks, ship the truck back, finally fly back to CA. That would make 4 weeks enough.

The 30 days driving is scaring me. Let me read your post again.
I appreciate all the time/work you guys are putting on this.

-JACK

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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 8/18/2005 9:29:09 PM (GMT-8)

JackSilb

08-19-2005, 04:33AM

he he he
Look what goggle is giving me

We could not calculate driving directions between san diego, CA and fairbanks, AK.

Go figure.
-JACK

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JackSilb

08-19-2005, 04:45AM

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1 &1a=&1c=san+diego&1s=CA&1z=&2a=&2c=fairbanks+&2s=a k&2z=" target=_blank>MapQuest
</A>Sand Diego, CAto Fairbanks, AK
Total Est. Time: 59 hours, 33 minutes Total Est. Distance: 3647.53 miles

Lets say:
- Aweek driving up
- Two weeks exploring
- A week driving back

Lots of driving.
Is this what takes?

-JACK

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Goingwayoutback

08-19-2005, 05:09AM

Yes alot of driving. I believe it will be one of those pinnicles in life. EVERYONE has dreamed of going to Alaska at some point in there life. What better way to see it and some of the most beautiful areas on this earth? I believe we should take two routes. One route as you have shown on your map and the other back down along the coast. We also need a count on how many at this point in time plan to go. I will start another thread on how many plan to go. Please go there and let us know how many in your party and what type of vehicle you will be bringing. This will help us with the logistics. This is not a comittment but a show of something more than just a desire. Also we should figure at least 5 weeks.

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Goingwayoutback

08-19-2005, 05:44AM

Just so everyone knows. From the research I have done we should all be running some type of a mud terrain tire for this trip. I will have winches front and back so I dont think everyone needs a winch. But it sure would be nice.

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Goingwayoutback

08-22-2005, 12:11AM

Jack so far we have You, Allen and myself for people interested. I know Viking Vince was but I dont know now. Anyway I am set on going in 2006 unless no one else can go. I need at least one other rig for sure. But for now I'm a definate GO. Iceland can wait one year.

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JackSilb

08-22-2005, 03:09AM

The more I read articles on magazines the more Alaska shows up. On the National Traveler magazine there are lots of adds for Alaska.
One add said that if you go to http://www.travelalaska.com/ngt you can get an Alaska travel book.

Mike, I am definitively interested. But can not not confirm until Feb/March next year. Need to see how the finance will work out.

I am sure you will read all that they have on that website.
-JACK

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mein_pappa

08-22-2005, 03:35AM

Bump said...
Allen, that trip up the haul road, in a RENTAl car, allowed in the contract?...it must have been a rent a dent.

It was a company that had set up some Taruses specificly for it. I think they just make sure the car is in good working order, give you two spares and a larger than normal fuel tank. Then you and 3 of your friends (or, in my case, two friends and my father) are on your way!

At the end of the day though, you are just wiped out from all the driving but it's all in good fun.

mein_pappa

08-22-2005, 03:50AM

Going way Outback said...
Jack so far we have You, Allen and myself for people interested. I know Viking Vince was but I dont know now. Anyway I am set on going in 2006 unless no one else can go. I need at least one other rig for sure. But for now I'm a definate GO. Iceland can wait one year.

I too need to confirm with my boss but, as my job may be in flux I need to hold off on confirmation. If I leave my current job for another, I'll lose my three weeks/yr accumulating PTO. Plus, having taken 30 days off last year, my boss isn't too keen on seeing it happen again. Next time I go into his office to talk about it I'll need to bring along a fire extinguisher. :)

I'll know in a couple weeks about the job. After that I can begin softening the target for needing15 - 20days off "sometime next summer".

My parents have made this same drive in their RV, at a relaxed pace, 3 times in the last 8 years. Each time it took about 2 weeks each way, but, again, they're in an RV and poking along. Don't underestimate the Alcan, there are times you'll crawl and times you'll fly but, from what I understand, it drives like suface streets in that you'll probably max out at 40 - 50 mph.

There are also mods I HAVE to make to my truck. Among other things I HAVE to do something about the seats - they kill me just on the drive to work, to say nothing of 30 days in the saddle. But, I digress. There are a number of hurdles I have to make before I can do this. With a bit of effort I'll make it.

Goingwayoutback

08-22-2005, 04:04AM

Allen I understand. I may have a few GOOD surprises for those who go. What kind of work do you do. Does your company make products? Need free advertising? Let me know. PM me.

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mein_pappa

08-22-2005, 04:04PM

I'm one of two Sr. Systems Engineers for autobytel.com. With a team of about 10 guys we manage 300+ servers in 4 states which handle about 10 million requests per day for our autobytel, and other, businesses we own. I'm on call 24x7 and, on some level, wind up being responsible for just about every bit and byte that moves in, out, and through our network (though we do have a very well qualified Network Engineer too). It's fun stuff but it makes for a poor balance between work and home life. That poor work/home balance is one of the reasons I was able to take a 30 day vacation last year and will be my leverage to do so again next year.

Now, if I were smart, I'd have my own consulting gig going, but I have absolutely no head for business.

Unfortunately, there is no actual product in our business. We "generate leads" - which is to say people come to our site and submit purchase requests for various vehicles - and we buy leads from affiliate sites (and even competing sites) for our dealer body. In turn, our dealers subscribe to various services which assist them in selling vehicles to online and offline customers.

Post Edited (Allen) : 8/22/2005 9:07:30 AM (GMT-8)

bufeo

08-22-2005, 05:56PM

Just a couple of comments from Dawson City, YT.

The drive up with ferry back from Skagway or Haines is terrific and we enjoyed the whole trip (1973). Route north was Seattle to Prince George with zig-zag off-highway trips connecting with pavement every hundred miles or so. PG out to Prince Rupert with side trip to Tatuk Lake--now a resort, then a 50-mile dirt road. Up the then all-dirt Stewart-Cassiar road, now all but about 150 miles paved. Alcan from Watson Lk to Whitehorse, now all paved, and Whitehorse to Dawson City. Over the top to AK to Denali Pk, then down the Kenai Peninsula to Homer (and the Salty Dog), then to Haines (road to Skagway not in at that date) and ferry back to Seattle. Whole trip seven wks.

The differnce this time is 1) we're only taking about four weeks and 2) there aremany, many more miles of paved road. A lot of windshield time. We have taken only a couple of "days off" to go off-highway on the north rim of the Grand Cyn and in northern Idaho, otherwise we've been putting in 300-mile days (approx.). Total mileage from Prescott, AZ, to Dawson City, YT, is over 4000. I haven't detailed the side-trip mileage yet. I'll try to do that soon to give all of you a more specific number for direct mileage.

Other than using 4WD on a couple of the off-highway trips, we've needed it only once. That was on one of the short dirt stretches on the Cassiar Hwy. An on-coming vehicle was taking his half of the road out of the middle and forced me far enough to the right for the wheels of our trailer to catch the off-camber edge. It was raining and the calcium chloride they spread for dust control gets slick. The trailer swapped a bit but enough for me to engage four-wheel for the remainder of that dirt stretch and I felt much better.

There are still myriad forest service side road in B.C. You might want to do a search for some books a fellow traveler showed me. I don't have the titles with me right now, but they're printed in Vancouver and have Off-Highway B.C. in the title somewhere. I'll try to pick them up on our return down through B.C.

The Dempster Hwy to the Arctic is far from boring. I can't speak for the "Haul Road". Even thoughour tripthe past two dayswas spoiled by smoke and haze and rain, weran out of words to describe the magnificance of the country through the Ogilvie Mtns, alongEngineer Ck, the Olgivie River, the Blackstone River and up to the OlgiviePlain (not really a plain at all, but so named). We're told that the country is boring (a relative term) beyond the ArcticCircle, but we cannot attest to that description since we let the'smaze' turn us around.

As far as tires go,our truck has the stock BFG "Rugged Terrain" tires on it. They've been fine, but I think I'll return to the BFG ATs when I replace these. We haven't fought the mud too much--really only that incident on the Cassiar road--but then we haven't needed to test any limits.

I've had two trucks with winches on them (Hickey"Side-winder" in '73, and Warn 9000 in '88) and never used them for travel up here. Did use the Hickeysouth of Telegraph Ck in '73 tosnake some timbers down to creek-side of Nine-Mile Ck tore-build afoot-bridge for an Indian family who lived there.

Off-highway tracks up here in the tundra are scarce. Partly owing to the nature of the tundra itself. It's fragility doesn't lend itself to permanent side-tracks and trail-blazing is a no-no. Logging roads in B.C. are plentiful and I'm told there are some good ones here in the YT as well.

We'll see.

Regardless of all this, the drive up here is well worth the time spent getting here. One could fly to a destination and rent a 4WD unit, but that isn't the same for us. I like having my own equipment.

Speaking of which, does anyone here have a Sportsmobile conversion. Although we like this ATRV trailer for many reasons, pulling a trailer this distance sucks--to use the vernacular. We're beginning to talk to each other about the 4WD van conversions that Sportsmobile put together.

Any thoughts anyone??????

Okay, now that we've met the good peoplelet's find thebad roads!