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goletto
11-19-2003, 03:57PM
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You might find it a bit strange the somebody like me, who lives in Switzerland, is a member of this forum. However, I visit the US about once a year to spend some time with our son who lives in San Diego.</o:p></div>
The last time we spent a few days in the Anza Borrego with a rented 4x4. We went through the Split Mountain and up the Sandstone Canyon. You all know this so I am not enclosing any pictures. But you might be interested to hear about off-roading in Europe.</o:p></div>
In Switzerland the situation is fairly hopeless. On all public land off-roading is forbidden, even on forest roads your are not allowed to drive. This leaves only private property and with the high prices for land no owner is interested to open his land for off-roaders. An exception are owners of a few gravel pits who open their pits on certain dates for 4x4 clubs.</o:p></div>
In Germany the situation is somewhat better because some 4x4 clubs have been able to obtain land from the military which is not used for military training anymore and they have opened for all 4x4 fans, but you have to pay a fee.</o:p></div>
In France there are also a few areas open for the 4x4 fan and forest roads are usually open to the public.</o:p></div>
In Spain you can find fairly good off-roading., also in Hungary, Poland and Rumania, but there you need a local guide because there are no reasonable maps or books available.</o:p></div>
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I am enclosing a few pictures from my 4x4 trip on a privately mountain area (called an “Alp”) in Switzerland in summer 2003</div>
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Regards</div>
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goletto</o:p></div>

WhiteThaiGer
11-19-2003, 04:21PM
goletto said...


Dear friends</o:p>
</o:p>
You might find it a bit strange the somebody like me, who lives in Switzerland, is a member of this forum. However, I visit the US about once a year to spend some time with our son who lives in San Diego.</o:p>
The last time we spent a few days in the Anza Borrego with a rented 4x4. We went through the Split Mountain and up the Sandstone Canyon. You all know this so I am not enclosing any pictures. But you might be interested to hear about off-roading in Europe.</o:p>
In Switzerland the situation is fairly hopeless. On all public land off-roading is forbidden, even on forest roads your are not allowed to drive. This leaves only private property and with the high prices for land no owner is interested to open his land for off-roaders. An exception are owners of a few gravel pits who open their pits on certain dates for 4x4 clubs.</o:p>
In Germany the situation is somewhat better because some 4x4 clubs have been able to obtain land from the military which is not used for military training anymore and they have opened for all 4x4 fans, but you have to pay a fee.</o:p>
In France there are also a few areas open for the 4x4 fan and forest roads are usually open to the public.</o:p>
In Spain you can find fairly good off-roading., also in Hungary, Poland and Rumania, but there you need a local guide because there are no reasonable maps or books available.</o:p>
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I am enclosing a few pictures from my 4x4 trip on a privately mountain area (called an “Alp”) in Switzerland in summer 2003

Regards

goletto</o:p>

Willkommen goletto!
Ich war gerade im Sommer in der Schweiz, allerdings nur für 4 Tage. Wir hatten einen Swiss pass von der Schweizer Bahn.
Your pictures make me want to go back for more http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/hop.gif

There are 3 of us here who live in San Diego! So let us know when you are out here the next time!

I know about the situation in Europe, growing up in Germany we used to vacation ona Bauernhof (farm) in Bayern. They had an Alm and had to go up there every day to get the milk. They used an old jeep for the rough trail and I would get up really early to be able to ride along. Dreamt of 4x4 ever since...

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BajaTaco
11-19-2003, 04:33PM
goletto said...


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...You might find it a bit strange the somebody like me, who lives in Switzerland, is a member of this forum. No, not strange at all. We want this forum to be world-class http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Goletto, this is a nice treat - thanks for taking the time to tell us about 4wd in Europe and posting the pictures. I know it takes some work to get the thumbnails made and the photos loaded. We appreciate it!

WOW - the landscape is positively beautiful. I wish I could just snap my fingers and be transported there magically with my 4x4. I love the way the trail threads along the tops of those steep hills like a ribbon. Nice!

I have some close friends that make regular visits to your area, and when I see personal accounts like this, I really want to come and visit.

I will be taking a fellow from Spain on a 4x4 tour next month... he will be here visiting with his family. I am going to take him to Sedona, Arizona to do some 4-wheeling in the red rock country. Have you been to Arizona? Feel free to look me up if you ever visit.


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JackSilb
11-20-2003, 02:04AM
Welcome!
We are glad to have you here.
Please let us know next time you are coming. We will set you up. On the good sense I mean.
Don't be shy, 'lets talk'.

Moreover, who knows we may do Africa together one day. You may be our contact in Europe to get the gear rented.

-JACK


So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
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