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[MrS]

Let talk about vehicle theft. Since we have alot of work into our trucks, I'm sure loosing them would hurt.

I know there are a bunch of elec. gurus around here and hence this info is useless. But maybe some one needs this.

http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page2.asp#psk

Here is a site with some useful info., even if you can't (or don't feel comfortable) doingthis, you can enlist my help and we can make a few changes to your rig. This will not stop your pro, but your basic joy-rideror fast grab typeswill most likely leave your rig where it parked. I know, a device like this saved my truck once.

Just an FYI of what can be done.

Ha Ha I dodged Jack on this one, went with drawings.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

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[JackSilb]

> Ha Ha I dodged Jack on this one, went with drawings.
Am I being to hard on you, or you are just hitting me today?

Thanks for sharing the information with me. I keep thinking about it. That is a nice site.

If the truck is gone, the insurance will pay yo for a plain replacement. Besides all the parts, the labor and love is priceless.

-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 11/16/2003 5:19:08 AM GMT

[GoodTimes]

Steve, I have given this some thought now that I live a little closer to mexico. I hear plenty of stories about stolen cars out here. Since I drive most of the summer with the top and doors off of my jeep, I figured it wasn't a good thing to not have some security of some sort.

So, I thought about a alarm. They are worthless, they do nothing but annoy people. When you hear a alarm go off, do you run out side to see what is going on, or do you just go to the other room and turn the music up so you don't hear it? Yea, I turn the music up too.

Next was a starter kill switch. It will keep the rookies from driving away with your rig....after they smashed the window to get in, broke the steering column and ripped out the key switch in a attempt to unlock the steering wheel and start your truck.

Next was a little more basic. "The Club". Kinda hard to steer with those things on. Easily visible, so the typical thief will {hopefully} go for something easier to steal. I have had to remove "clubs" from cars before (in a legal manner--someone at work lost his keys). They are a pain in the butt to get off even with power tools.

Well, I ended up using a club in combination with the factory installed "sentry-key" (jeep doesn't run unless one of my keys is within a few inches of the ignition) [this is verified through the use of a chip in the key].

It is not fool proof. But what it does is make the jeep appear to be a pain in the thief's butt to steal. So hopefully they will go steal someone elses car instead of mine. Of course I also keep everything out of the jeep when possible (stereo faceplate, sunglasses, etc) so there is nothing there to draw attention to the jeep.

I think the best thing to do is make your vehicle look unappealing to a thief, then add a couple of simple, pain in the butt to defeat (but easy to bypass if you need to), security devices. Obviously what I use won't work for everyone, but lets not forget the most simple of devices (like the club).

So what does everyone else use?


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[WhiteThaiGer]

GoodTimes said...
...

I think the best thing to do is make your vehicle look unappealing to a thief, then add a couple of simple, pain in the butt to defeat (but easy to bypass if you need to), security devices. Obviously what I use won't work for everyone, but lets not forget the most simple of devices (like the club).

So what does everyone else use?I pretty much use the same philosophy: I have the club and keep the car unappealing,that includes not washing it too often http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif and have no valuables in the open. As you say, the pro's can not be kept from stealing cars and if it gets more difficult for them they will not even worry about opening the car on site, but take the whole thing. This, I hear, is polular in eastern Europe where the thiefs drive up in a tow truck... The chip keys have been very effective in Europe, car theft was a huge problem after the fall of the wall untill they chip keys came in. I don't know how things are these days over there.

I think we deal with 2 types of criminals: the ones that want stuff from inside the car and the ones that want the car. The former probably usually don't have a plan, they go around and look for easy targets and valuables in a car. I observed this type onces in front of an appartment where we were living: One guy drove the get away car along the line of cars while the other guy walked past the cars and checked for stuff using a flash light. I called the police right away, they came within minutes, very quite cruiser, no lights, but were too late. Hiding stuff may keep this kind of thief away.

The car thiefs are harder to deal with, I think, because they might be more organized and have plans.One way of protectionmight be to drive some make/model that's not too popular, i.e smaller market for car or the parts.

How effective would that kill switch be against the car thiefs? I wouldn't mind having some protection in addition to the club.



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[MrS]

I really like the Club. It's highlyvisible. The streering wheel on my truck is the weak link there. I also see this Club type device that locks the brake pedal, but again easy to defeat for anyone willing to drive without brakes. I thinkI may get one of these anyway.


I have wonder how useful a device that would lock our trucks into 4lo. Or maybe 4 wheel brake-lock. What you guys think?


IMO a blinking red light on the dash is as good as an alarm 99% of the time. the other 1% the guy next store to me will call the police if my alarm goes off or I call the police if I hear it at a motel.


Alarm and starter kill switch, can be defeated about as fast as a opening your hood.


I'm thinking along the lines of multi-level anti-thief devices, just to wear them out (hence eat up time for them and send them away).


I would love to have one of those key/chip set-ups, but my truck didn't come with it.


I was thinking when I posted this was we could talk about car theft before one of ours gets stolen. I would be even more bummed if my truck went and I didn't know about some simple little tip, you guys knew. OR if I didn't post this and yours was gone, I may not like you guys, but you do have NICE rigs.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif













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[WhiteThaiGer]

MrS said...

.....
I was thinking when I posted this was we could talk about car theft before one of ours gets stolen. I would be even more bummed if my truck went and I didn't know about some simple little tip, you guys knew. OR if I didn't post this and yours was gone, I may not like you guys, but you do have NICE rigs.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif


Good point (most of it)!

I wonder though, what makes you worry about security all of a sudden, there was this notebook discussion also.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

About those key-chip setups. How exactly does the chip tie in? I mean will the car's computer disable the vehicle completely until the correct chip is there? This could be a problem if you are out on some remote trail or down in Mexico somewhere and the key takes it's own trip...


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[GoodTimes]

WhiteThaiGer said...


About those key-chip setups. How exactly does the chip tie in? I mean will the car's computer disable the vehicle completely until the correct chip is there? This could be a problem if you are out on some remote trail or down in Mexico somewhere and the key takes it's own trip...
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I can only discuss the theory, not how it actually happens, because theory is all I understand about it.</div>
Basically, when you send a signal to the PCM to start the engine, the PCM has a sub-routine which calls for a device in the steering column to send a weak signal to the "chip" in the key. The chip, when it recieves this signal, sends a reply. If the PCM doesn't recieve the reply within 2 seconds, it shuts the engine off. So, you can only drive for 2 seconds at a time without the key.</div>
Downfalls to this system are:</div>
1: new keys must be made at the dealer, and are specific to your vehicle (one jeep key will not send the right signal for another jeep)</div>
2: If you lose your keys, you can't hotwire thejeep to drive back to civilization.</div>
3: If either the key, or the signalling device fail, you cannot drive back to civilization.</div>
I may, at some point, wire in a bypass switch to this system, and hide it in a difficult to reach location (underneath a dash panel, or someplace similar which requires both knowledge of the switch location and tools to gain access to it) in case either #2 or #3 happen.</div>



I also do what Uwe does.....or doesn't do....which is wash the jeep very often. But that is because as soon as I wash it, I go hit the trails again, so it isn't very practical for me to try and keep it clean.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif </div>


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[Rockcrawler]

This is something more for Goodtimes than the rest of you.... damn taco people! :) It will work on your vehicles as well, but works especially well for Jeeps. Anyway, I have a combination hood lock/kill switch. Keeps people from getting under my Jeep's hood and of course has a starter kill as well. I know nothing I do is going to keep the Jeep from being stolen if someone really wants it, but it should defeat most joy riders. Besides... you have to have a pretty devoted thief to drive anywhere in a lifted/locked CJ! :)


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[GoodTimes]

I thought about a hood lock, but at this point, (with the club and the sentry-key whoo-ya), they are already into some time/work to get the jeep. They would pretty much need either a serious wiring job and power tools in order to drive it off, or they would need to put it up on a trailer and tow it. If they are towing it, not much will stop them. But, just to make their lives even more difficult in case they should want to tow it, I crank the steering wheel one way or another before I put the club on, that way if they do push/pull/whatever it onto a trailer, it is even more difficult for them. I'm just a mean SOB like that sometimes.


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

What do you mean not having an appealing car?

All the trucks around this Forum are appealing. They are no the stock trucks. They will look apart in the crowd.
-JACK


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[GoodTimes]

JackSilb said...
What do you mean not having an appealing car?

All the trucks around this Forum are appealing. They are no the stock trucks. They will look apart in the crowd.
-JACK
</div>Mine is stock, with the exception of the CB and 2 meter, and a couple of skid plates.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/wink.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[YukonBob]

Mine is stock toohttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

[MrS]

MrSsaid...

In about 97 someone tried to steal our K-Blazer, after inflicting $600 worth of damage they gave up. But with the added $3 relay theywere less than a second of starting and driving away a good vehicle. No-way even with complete insurance coverage would Ihave not been able to replace the truck for $600.
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[quote]So I'm a big fan of these devices, plus if you build them and add them, you know how to by-pass them if you have trouble with it.
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I like the idea of an inexpensive way to add to the protection. I actually think that it might be even more important to protect an older vehicle you know well and that is in good shape:How much is the insurance going to pay for it in case of theft and how much does it cost to replace it with an 'equal' one?

Note: I managed to mess up Steve's original post, most of it is preserved in the quote above....Jack gave me some new Moderator icons and I hadn't noticed it...klicked the wrong button...Sorry

Post Edited By Moderator (WhiteThaiGer) : 11/18/2003 6:04:11 PM GMT

[MrS]

YukonBob said...
Mine is stock toohttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gifI somehow feel I need to address this, I guess having your rig equipmed with a computer and full map/nav software is a stock option now, but I don't beleive that was stock on the 96 Yukon.

Of course if I'm mistaken, now is the time to correct this. Remeber it Xmas and you have plenty of $$$. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/ok-kewl.gif

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[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif "stock option" LMAO!

Hey Steve, I can't help but think of the word "missus" when I see your new screen name. Like, if your last name was Taco, then it would be MrT and would look like "mister T" but with the S, it looks like the abbreviation for "missus" (MrS. Spangler) http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

... am I the only one? http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/headscratch.gif

How about Mr.S? It's amazing what a little dot can do. I'm a jerk for picking on you, I know.. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/devil.gif especially since you are helping me with my battery.

Sorry pal

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif


By the way, back on topic - I love this link you gave us - thanks!


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[MrS]

BajaTaco said...


I'm a jerk for picking on you, I know.. No big deal, I'm getting a chuckle on this end anyway.

Besides, I just happy someone reads my postings http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

Let me work on my MrT "I pitty the fool who dosen't drive a Tacoma" http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif

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[JackSilb]

SteveS or Batman or 007 or MrS,

I would like to install the mod on my 4Runner?
Can we make it happen this weekend during the party? Well, on Sunday then.
What we need to get?

-JACK


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[BajaTaco]

JackSilb said...

I would like to install the mod on my 4Runner?
Can we make it happen this weekend during the party?
-JACK

Sure, Jack! After our bellies are so full of good food that we need to push them around in a cart, and we have had a bunch of tequila and beer, we would be happy to work on your 4runner! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif Just make sure we have some power tools on hand, ok? (hmmm... a sawzall and a big drill come to mind.... maybe a grinder?)


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[MrS]

JackSilb said...
SteveS or Batman or 007 or MrS,

I would like to install the mod on my 4Runner?
Can we make it happen this weekend during the party? Well, on Sunday then.
What we need to get?
Like Baja said, with the other things going on, you not not want to work on your truck, just "bench building" this weekend. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif


It would be 95% better to do this at my place. We just need to know what you like. We can do it when you bring the engine by. We can even set you up overnight if you want, just no angry (your) dog.

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[MrS]

Rockcrawler said...
This is something more for Goodtimes than the rest of you.... damn taco people! I'm not sure ifthis is a cable set-up for the Jeep, but some really ingenious person installed a hood lock on his Taco. Here a how-to link.

http://www.bajataco.com/zr2steve/ZR2Steve.html

Not only this guy installed this, he has a good step by step write-up. I think the only guy who is smarted is the guy with the web-site. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

Jack, you'll like this, pictures http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/camera_flash.gif

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[WhiteThaiGer]

MrS said...


It would be 95% better to do this at my place. We just need to know what you like. We can do it when you bring the engine by. We can even set you up overnight if you want, just no angry (your) dog. I agree, more tools and parts up there. Hey, I might stop buy and watch you guys, and when you experimented enough on Jacks truck we can do a clean install on mine http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/cool.gif


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[MrS]

WhiteThaiGer said...I agree, more tools and parts up there. Hey, I might stop buy and watch you guys, and when you experimented enough on Jacks truck we can do a clean install on mine Good plan,if neededyou can give Jack and family a ride home if we screw-up http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif and go from wiring to welding in one short (get it "short") step.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif

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[BajaTaco]

http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gifhttp://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif


http://www.bajataco.com
Vibram or BFG - getting there on rubber and seeing it all!

[GoodTimes]

You guys are too damn funny. I think I am gonna stay far, far away from MrS's shop on that day! http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

MrS said...



Rockcrawler said...
This is something more for Goodtimes than the rest of you.... damn taco people! I'm not sure ifthis is a cable set-up for the Jeep, but some really ingenious person installed a hood lock on his Taco. Here a how-to link.

http://www.bajataco.com/zr2steve/ZR2Steve.html

Not only this guy installed this, he has a good step by step write-up. I think the only guy who is smarted is the guy with the web-site. http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/notme.gif

Jack, you'll like this, pictures http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/camera_flash.gif


Now we are talking. Pictures. I like it. I know you got the right help.

OK add that to my list too.
Where and whencan we (I mean you) can get the parts? We need to get going. Lets Rock.

I will give you all the moral support you need.
Hey, good time to get that other secret 007 project going too. I can bring my tools.
-JACK
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Post Edited (JackSilb) : 11/20/2003 2:00:58 AM GMT

[JackSilb]

MrS said...



WhiteThaiGer said...I agree, more tools and parts up there. Hey, I might stop buy and watch you guys, and when you experimented enough on Jacks truck we can do a clean install on mine Good plan,if neededyou can give Jack and family a ride home if we screw-up http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/lol.gif and go from wiring to welding in one short (get it "short") step.http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/baja_rofl.gif
</div>Good idea Uwe,

You take Shadow first just to check how much you keep focus with a 100 pound dog snifing your neck http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif

-JACK



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[MrS]

JackSilb said...


Where and whencan we (I mean you) can get the parts?
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http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=108&amp;catalogId=10101&amp;langI d=-1&amp;storeId=10101

Make sure this is the same part# as what I have on Baja's site.

I think I have a extra JC Whitney Catalog, I'll bring it.
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[JackSilb]

Why don't you get the parts when you have a chance? Then I can pay you OR not.

-JACK


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