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Cecile
06-28-2003, 09:45PM
While Burro Schmidt's Tunnel is not exactly an abandoned mine - but a hand dug tunnel to no where by William Henry "Burro" Schmidt - it is one of the few tunnels or mines I will go in just because I am claustraphobic. At Tonie Seger's Memorial last Saturday, I took my friend Robin in for her first visit. It turned out to be a valuable lesson in mine or tunnel safety, and a reminder that one should never be too self assured when they go in these types of places. I go in the tunnel once every year or so, and have always been able to walk completely through there without worrying about the hiegth as I have always been just short enough to get through without bumping my head. Well, either the rocks to the tunnel grew a fraction of an inch lower in one particular spot, or I grew a fraction of an inch, or perhaps I was walking a bit taller & straighter than my normally hunched over self when I go through.

Robin and I were going through the tunnel with two little boys who were trying to convince us that they did not believe in ghosts. Of course Robin and I talked about old Burro Schmidt's ghost and perhaps now Tonie Seger's ghost haunting that tunnel now that she is recently dead, and we were so busy trying to scare those boys as we went through, & having such a good time doing it, that I forgot any claustraphobia that I normally have, and I forgot to watch where I was going. I suddenly whacked my head! I said something to Robin, who then turned around and put a flashlight on me and asked if I was all right. I said I was a little stunned, but ok, then suddenly, blood started pouring from my scalp, and covering my face. I was a little panicky, as I'm prone to panic attacks anyway, but didn't worry too much, about it. I felt my head and it didn't appear that I had cracked it wide open so I just proceeded on out the tunnel. There at the exit, the two little boys got a good look at me and were scared half to death. I think they must have thought that I had turned in to one of the ghoulies of Burro Schmidt's Tunnel! Meantime, a woman hiking behind the tunnel, saw me and she happened to be a nurse. She cleaned me up with a kleenex she had, and twisted a piece of my hair over the scratch so it wouldn't bleed any more. Another lady came by and she had wet-ones with her and cleaned my face enough that I no longer looked like a ghoulie. An tall older man came through and he had bumped his head a bit, too, but his was not the bleeder mine was. Somebody grabbed the cameras and took pictures of he and I and Robin, but in my excitement, I didn't set mine right and it didn't turn out unfortunately, so I can't share them with you.

Now, if the head wound wasn't enough, after we headed over the hill and got to the dirt road, I decided to take the dirt road instead of the hiking path that crossed it, as I was very familiar with the road, but not so sure of the hiking path. The road turns to a very steep, almost straight up and down hill that is slippery in spots, but from there I could see Roger & Marty sitting at the Forerunner having lunch, so I knew even though it would be slow going down that hill, I was headed in the right direction. Half way down the road I realized that I had my handheld ham radio with me, and radioed the guys to look up at us. Robin and I were tired and a bit shook up from the wound I had suffered, and had drank what little water we had. I asked the guys if they could maybe make it up the hill and save us the rest of the steep walk & a bit of an uphill back to them. The Forerunners wouldn't make it up that road, though, although they have made it down the road many times. So we had to forge ahead, laughing and complaining all the way. Had it been a real emergency, which it wasn't of course, the guys could have gone the long way around and come down the hill and rescued us.

Needless to say, Robin and I got back to the dirt parking lot near Burro Schmidtt's tunnel, and the guys poured water over my head and cleaned the blood from my hair, and I was none the worse for wear. Robin had to go back to the tunnel entrance to hunt down Roger's flashlight which she had loaned to the little boys. The boys were long gone, but had left the flashlight with one of the ladies who had helped clean me up. I guess those boys had hightailed it back through the tunnel in a hurry, scared to death of the two ghostly ladies who had gone through the tunnel with them.

When Robin got back with Roger's flashlight, we decided that if anyone was stupid enough to pick us for the Survivor show, we would be booted off the island before the show got started. But we had an adventure, and we were lucky things weren't worse than they were. We were reminded of some important things, which we knew, but didn't heed - watch where you are walking, carry plenty of water with you, don't forget about the communications you are carrying with you, don't lose your sense of direction, and common sense, and it might be a good idea to wear a helmet to avoid a head wound even when you are familiar with the darned tunnel! Also don't forget to set the camera properly so you can have pictures to prove the whole thing!

Now, if two of us who are experienced and knowledgeable can play around and almost get in to trouble, it makes it easier to understand how desert newbies can wind up in serious trouble out there.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smashfreakb.gif _________________
Cecile


Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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JackSilb
07-01-2003, 10:58PM
Ouch!

I know what you felt. Getting all bloody is not fun. Even with small cuts depending where it is, may make you all bloody.
This should be a lesson to always have that tiny first aid kit with you.

It is nice to see how people help each other on these situations. Just wished it was true for other things too. Less conflicts among people an nations.

-JACK

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BajaTaco
07-02-2003, 05:00AM
Cecile > http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smashfreakb.gif < Burro Schmidt's tunnel





http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smhair.gifOUCH!!!


So, I have just one question... when you hit your head, did you hear a little rattling noise? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif Just kdding! Thanks for sharing the story with us - we want bloody pics next time! http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/devil.gif

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Cecile
07-03-2003, 04:23AM
How can I have rattling noises, when I am a dumb blonde and there is nothing m my brain? Regarding pictures - I handed my camera to somebody to take them, but in my distraught state of mind I didn't set the camera right and the picture didn't take. I must have looked really scary - those two little boys were suddenly terrified of me and couldn't get away from me fast enough. That would have been a great picture for my website, too. Oh well.....

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

JackSilb
07-03-2003, 04:40AM
No pictures no memories...
-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

BajaTaco
07-03-2003, 03:30PM
Cecile said...
How can I have rattling noises, when I am a dumb blonde and there is nothing m my brain? Oh, so you heard just a faint whistle... as the wind passed through? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif J/K! I know, I get the blonde jokes all of the time too - yea,blonde guys get hassled too - a blonde is a blonde. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/notme.gif





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Cecile
07-03-2003, 03:52PM
Hey, at least us blondes have an excuse for being dumb - we were born that way! What is everybody elses excuse?

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

MrS
07-03-2003, 07:47PM
HowBAD was the tunnel damaged???http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif





I wanted for Marty to ask.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/notme.gif but I guess he knows, so didn't see the need to askhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif





Cecile, have you heard any talk/rummors/etc about the future of the tunnel in the hands of the BLM?

KF6YSB

GoodTimes
07-03-2003, 11:45PM
Steve, this artical doesn't address the tunnel, but it does address issues of access to the area, specifically Last Chance Canyon, and surrounding roads:





Posted on Thursday, June 26 @ 17:38:12 PST
Plan to manage Last Chance Canyon questioned


Complain that 'multiple-use' ignored

By Bill Deaver

CALIFORNIA CITY - Although defended by environmental group representatives, the final draft of a plan to manage a 17,000-acre addition to Red Rock Canyon State Park drew fire from representatives of other user groups and a state senator at a meeting here Saturday.

Strongest criticism of the plan to manage the Last Chance Canyon addition came from Ed Waldheim, representing the California Off-Road Vehicle Association (CORVA), and state Senator Roy Ashburn.

Waldheim blasted the plan, which he said "ignores the mandate to manage the land for multiple use."

"This plan doesn't do anything for us," Waldheim said, referring to off-highway vehicle users.



Park Plans - Plans to manage the Last Chance Canyon addition to red Rock Canyon State Park were discussed last Saturday by, from left, Supervising Park Ranger Mark Faull and Ed Waldheim and Geoff Teare of the California Off-Road Vehicle Association. Mocal News Corporation Photo

'Blinders'

"You need to take off your blinders," said Waldheim, adding, "We don't want to lose any more trails."

The CORVA activist also criticized the State Parks and Recreation Department planners for going forward with the Last Chance management plan without waiting for the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to complete its proposed West Mojave Plan, which is expected to close many more miles of trails.

The CORVA officer also noted that the Last Chance Canyon addition contains over 70 mines, which must be managed according to existing state law.

Waldheim, who is president of Friends of Jawbone, a volunteer group that works with BLM actively to manage off-highway trails in Jawbone Canyon and other High Desert areas, said his group would be willing to manage the addition for the state parks agency.

Accusing park planners of actions that push OHV users into private property, Waldheim threatened to go to the state legislature to "take this away from you."

Lawmaker's complaints

If they go the legislature, Waldheim and the OHV community will find a friend in state Senator Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield), whose field representative, Russell Johnson, read a lengthy statement from the senator questioning the plan and the way it has been developed.

Saying he was responding to concerns expressed by his constituents, Ashburn complained that members of the public had no time to digest the latest version of the management plan, which was presented to them when they entered the meeting in California City city hall.

"...this practice of not posting documents on the web or giving the public time to study the materials in advance effectively circumvents the public participation process." Ashburn said.

In a statement that was echoed by several speakers at the meeting, Ashburn demanded "sound scientific data" for closing roads and taking other actions to restrict public use of the land.

Ashburn also asked that equestrians and hunters be allowed to continue to use the area, an activity banned in the proposed plan

Several other speakers suggested that the Last Chance addition be managed as a state recreation area rather than under the more stringent "park" status.

Environmentalists respond

Several Sierra Club members responded to Waldheim and Ashburn's comments. All opposed the state continuing a long-standing agreement to allow vehicles to use the popular Nightmare Gulch area for 14 weeks of the year. Joe Fontaine of Tehachapi, a former two-term national Sierra Club president and member (with this writer) of the original citizens advisory committee that helped create the park, said there are many other areas in East Kern and San Bernardino counties available for OHV use.

Stan Hay of Ridgecrest also favored closing Nightmare Gulch and said he supports closing other roads in the addition.

"We should close roads unless there is a good reason to keep them open rather than leaving them open unless there is a good reason to close them," Hay argued. His wife, Jeannie Hay, agreed with closing Nightmare Gulch.

Working together

Ron Schiller of Ridgecrest suggested that the best way to resolve competing interests would be to form an ad hoc committee to work on issues. "You'd be surprised how quickly conflicts go away when you do that," Schiller said.

Parks and Recreation Department planner Bob Patterson said the department's staff will take comments from the meeting and use them to develop a management plan and environmental impact report which will be made available to the public in September for comment.

The plan will then be presented to the State Parks Commission which will consider it at a public meeting, which may be held "within 100 miles" of the proposed addition.

Copyright © 2003 Mocal News Corporation


olllllllo <---- If you can read that, roll me over.

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Cecile
07-04-2003, 12:41AM
The caretaker of the tunnel, Dave, and another man by the last name of Schmidt who claims to be related to the original Burro Schmidt (but truth is he is not related at all) think they are going to keep the tunnel, since Tonie gave it to Dave. The tunnel is not legally Tonie's for the past 15 years, apparently, so it wasn't hers to give. The BLM is giving these guys 60 days from the date of the Memorial Service to vacate the tunnel, all but 3 buildings are to be removed, and the tunnel hopefully will remain open in the hands of the BLM. We will see - there's been lots of guessing on everyone's part. My guess is that Ed Waldheim, who is also the president of the Friends of Jawbone Canyon, will step in and make sure the tunnel stays open for visitors. It will be interesting to see.

Regarding damage I did to the tunnel - well, since I hiked around the outside to get back to the vehicles - I don't have a clue. Hope I didn't ruin it too badly!

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

MrS
07-04-2003, 05:21PM
Cecile said...

Regarding damage I did to the tunnel - well, since I hiked around the outside to get back to the vehicles - I don't have a clue. Hope I didn't ruin it too badly!I'm sure at worse you just knocked that low spot off that William was unable to blast off. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif

Thanks for the BLM issue info too, and keep us posted about updates. I'm thinking I need to go back up there soon for one last walk thru. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cry.gif

Thanks Brian, I've been following that issue for that area.

KF6YSB

WhiteThaiGer
07-04-2003, 06:08PM
SteveS said...

I'm sure at worse you just knocked that low spot off that William was unable to blast off. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/joker1.gif

Thanks for the BLM issue info too, and keep us posted about updates. I'm thinking I need to go back up there soon for one last walk thru. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cry.gif

Thanks Brian, I've been following that issue for that area.I've heard a lot about the tunnel, but never went. Not it seems time might be running out, when are we going? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cool.gif

Oh no, Last Chance Canyon has sentimental value for us. It's actually how I got involved with you guys here, indirectly anyway..... There is that one steep downhill and we stood at the top with some guy in some kind of full-size pick up contemplating the difficulty. He decided to turn around, we decided to go down; after all the Ranger had said the canyon is no problem for a stock 4Runner.We had no problems, butit was steep for us and we were nervous. At the bottom I swore I would check out that community class about 4x4 driving the next time I saw it in the catalog. Maybe I could learn something from the guy who did the class. Well, that 'guy' would be Harry, the rest is history http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif


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BajaTaco
07-09-2003, 03:04AM
Cool story http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cool.gif


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