Death Valley (Wild Flowers), CA. 4/12~14/2003

[JackSilb]

Hello,

Since I have almost none experience in DV. I go with the nicer description. Vote on #1.
By the way, I am about to update the server.
It will have a calendar for the events and voting capability.
We will see if I finish it tonight.

-JACK


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[Cecile]

Darn, the dates you have picked are the same dates as our Mojave Expedition and bonus trip. Wish I could go with you guys and meet those of you I don't know. We are really getting interested in Death Valley - we have already been there 3 times since October, previously had only been there twice in ten years. Just did part of Harry's Death Valley trip in January and really enjoyed it. Titus Canyon is beautiful. If you opt for that and want to check out a couple of ghost towns as well as beautiful scenery, stop in Rhyolite before heading into Titus, and Leadville. On our "to-do" list is to eventually develope a Ghost Towns of Death Valley tour for eco4wd.

Steve is the expert on Death Valley, from what I understand, he has been there many many times so he can give you lots of ideas. To do a little research on your own - some good books are :
Hiking Death Valley: A guide to its Natural Wonders and Mining Past by Michel Digonnet
The Explorer's Guide to Death Valley National Park by T. Scott & Betty Tucker-Bryan.
Death Valley SUV Trails - A Guide to 46 interesting 4-wheeling Excursions in the Death Valley Country by Roger Mitchell

Cecile
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[JackSilb]

Hello,

Do I see dates being set?
Starting 4/12 to 4/14(+)
For me, it will probably be the 3 days deal.
So we can plan some activities for the 3 days trip [:(], and for a longer run for people that can stay longer [:p].

-JACK
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[WhiteThaiGer]

[b]quote:Originally posted by SteveS
Looks like we can plan to do a few days in DV. Sat the 12th to about the Mon the 14th. So put us down as going for these dates.
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Sounds good to me, pencil us in.

Uwe

[GoodTimes]

Ok, glad to hear some people are going to be able to make it!

I have been doing some research (well....a little anyway), and due to the number of people coming, and the strong possibility of having children along, I think I am going to scrap the hiking plans for the first few days. I think some exploration in our 4x4's would be more appropriate.

With that said, I am looking at two different routes, and would like everyones opinions on them.

The first would be the loop around Hunter Mountain. This would take us to such places as the Lippincott Mine, The Racetrack, Teakettle Junction, Hidden Valley, and of course Hunter Mountain. This is about 65 miles of back road travel, some of which is rumored to be rough going, with a total of about 110 miles with no services. We would start and end in Paniment Springs.

The second would be Titus Canyon. This would take us through Titus Canyon (big surprize there!), and of course the "titus canyon narrows", which, at the narrowest point is about 15 feet. The walls reach several hundred feet in places (or so I hear--i've never been there). The trail starts just outside of Beatty (NV), and ends about 20 miles north of Stovepipe Wells. This trail should be very easy....2 wheel drive cars have been known to get through this route.

Personally, I am leaning towards the first one, because it would take us to the Race Track, which is on my list of things to see anyway.....but I would also be quite happy to take a trip down Titus Canyon.

Let me know what you fine folks think. Oh heck, we may as well have Steve's opinion too!http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/laugh2.gif

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO

[MrS]

[b]quote:Originally posted by Anita
Hi Brian: We have been just about everywhere in Death Valley. Steve has lots of stories and is an expert on the history. </blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

[Webster] pert: adj. saucy; impudent

I think I'm still just a pert. I may someday be an expert. [:D]

Looks like we can plan to do a few days in DV. Sat the 12th to about the Mon the 14th. So put us down as going for these dates.

[MrsS]

[b]quote:Originally posted by goodtimes

Good to see you made it to the board Anita! I have already warned Steve that I will be hitting him up for trail info in the near future!

I have only done one DV trip so far, and it was strictly a backpacking trip. My little sister and I went from the top of Cottonwood Canyon (where the road ends), up through the rest of cottonwood, across to the top of marble Canyon, down that, and then back up cottonwood to where the truck was parked. 25 or 26 miles in 2 days (well, day and a half really...we got back about 2:00pm on day #2). This time, I am not venturing quite so far off into the boonies, and hope to be able to slow down a bit.

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO
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Hi Brian: We have been just about everywhere in Death Valley. Steve has lots of stories and is an expert on the history. We're hoping to be able to go for three or four days.
AnitaS

[Cecile]

If you guys are looking for wildflowers, as originally posted, it's an early bloom this year. On Harry's DV trip in January we were already seeing little tiny seedlings at the Geologist Cabin, so I imagine things are blossoming now. More recent reports from others say that the Joshua tree is starting to bloom as well.

Went to the Western Mojave - El Pasos, Mesquite Canyon, Iron Canyon on Sunday and the desert is carpeted with wildflowers throughout that area. It was beautiful!

Cecile
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[Cecile]

Ok, here's a link to an article about the wildflowers in Death Valley this spring:
http://death-valley.us/article429.html

Cecile
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[MrsS]

[b]quote:Originally posted by goodtimes

Yes, I will certainly consider shorter hiking trips! That is why I asked, I want everyone who goes to have a good time! We could even eliminate the hiking trips for a few days too, just explore from the comfort of our 4x4's. (the lazy side of me really likes that idea!http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/happy/supergrin.gif)

I'm following that other thread too....but it scares me. I'm still not into the 21st century when it comes to computer stuff (they seem to quit working anytime I get a hammer or torch near themhttp://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/sad/nixweiss.gif).

Seriously though, I don't know if I will have time to put all that together anywhere besides in my mind! My schedual currently has me leaving home at 9:00am and getting home at 10:00pm...followed by homework (which I should be doing right now....).

I will do some research into some of the 4x4 trails, and see if I can find something interesting. Anyone with suggestions, feel free to let me know!

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO
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SteveS is a good one to talk to about trails. We have made many, many trips to DV. Not sure if we can go or not. It's one of our favorite places. AnitaS

[GoodTimes]

Good to see you made it to the board Anita! I have already warned Steve that I will be hitting him up for trail info in the near future!

I have only done one DV trip so far, and it was strictly a backpacking trip. My little sister and I went from the top of Cottonwood Canyon (where the road ends), up through the rest of cottonwood, across to the top of marble Canyon, down that, and then back up cottonwood to where the truck was parked. 25 or 26 miles in 2 days (well, day and a half really...we got back about 2:00pm on day #2). This time, I am not venturing quite so far off into the boonies, and hope to be able to slow down a bit.

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO

[JackSilb]

Hello,

I will check on my Kids break too.
Regarding the hiking, 10 miles will be a kind of long for the kids.
Can you consider shorter hikings?

thanks,
-JACK
p.s. Please read the discussion on preparing for new trips. We are talking about the pcitures / maps / tracks / GPS . It will give you extra work but the price is right. Ha ha ha [:D]


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[GoodTimes]

Yes, I will certainly consider shorter hiking trips! That is why I asked, I want everyone who goes to have a good time! We could even eliminate the hiking trips for a few days too, just explore from the comfort of our 4x4's. (the lazy side of me really likes that idea!http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/happy/supergrin.gif)

I'm following that other thread too....but it scares me. I'm still not into the 21st century when it comes to computer stuff (they seem to quit working anytime I get a hammer or torch near themhttp://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/sad/nixweiss.gif).

Seriously though, I don't know if I will have time to put all that together anywhere besides in my mind! My schedual currently has me leaving home at 9:00am and getting home at 10:00pm...followed by homework (which I should be doing right now....).

I will do some research into some of the 4x4 trails, and see if I can find something interesting. Anyone with suggestions, feel free to let me know!

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO

[JackSilb]

Uwe,

What is the date(s) for her spring break?
-JACK


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[WhiteThaiGer]

[b]quote:Originally posted by JackSilb

Uwe,

What is the date(s) for her spring break?
-JACK
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I just checked, same as goodtimes: 14-18 April. Now the question would be if I can take a day off to make it something like a 3 day weekend.

Uwe

[GoodTimes]

Ok, it sounds like we have a few people interested in going! That is great!

But it brings up a couple of issues that we need to address so that I can continue with the planning. It looks like some people are interested in coming for the weekend (4-11/12/13). My original (tentative) plan is for a day hike (probably 5 - 10 miles) each day. For those that are coming (or considering it), are you OK with hiking, or should I do a little research into some of the off-hiway trails? I would be just as happy exploring the off road trails as I would hiking. The original plan was set up assuming I would be making the trip alone, so I wasn't going to stray too far off the well beaten path incase of vehicle trouble (nothing like being stranded in Death Valley 30 miles from the nearest "road"). But if we have more vehicles going, I would be just fine with wandering off into the wilderness in the jeep.

So what do y'all think? Stick with the hiking, or go for the 4-wheeling?

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO

[YukonBob]

Jack

I'm going to wait until we get back from Baja to make a decision. Still not sure about the time or place. It will probably be a quick decision based on wild flower reports. Still waiting to get feedback from others about good places. Traveling with goodtimes is always a plus.

Three days would be good.

Bob

[WhiteThaiGer]

[b]quote:Originally posted by Yukon Bob

Jack

I'm going to wait until we get back from Baja to make a decision. Still not sure about the time or place. It will probably be a quick decision based on wild flower reports. Still waiting to get feedback from others about good places. Traveling with goodtimes is always a plus.

Three days would be good.

Bob
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If it falls in my wife's spring break we might be up to it too.

As far as flowers go we'll do a day trip to Anza Borrego at the very least. Joining a group to DV would be more fun though

Uwe

[JackSilb]

[b]quote:Originally posted by goodtimes

Well, I plan to be in Death Valley from April 12th - 17th or 18th. Unfortunately, the dates are not flexible (spring break), but my plan is....sort of.
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Well I guess this a proposed date.
Bob, would that work for you?
If I can make it, I would go a wekend and maybe one day more.

thanks,
-JACK



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[YukonBob]

Jack

Don't have a date or a place. I'm think it has to be April or there won't be any wild flowers. I always celebrate April Fools Day, but then I am. Do you have any holidays in Brazil that we could use?[:)]

Bob

[GoodTimes]

Well, I plan to be in Death Valley from April 12th - 17th or 18th. Unfortunately, the dates are not flexible (spring break), but my plan is....sort of.

As of right now, (and this is not set in stone), I am looking at a day in the dunes, a day in Badwater Basin, a day exploring Ubehebe Crater and Ubehebe Mine, followed by a day (or two) exploring Corridor Canyon. I may camp in, or near, the canyon, which is to say, camp will have to be carried about 2 miles into the back country since there are no roads (that I know of) going back to the canyon. Then a day on/around the race track. The basic idea is to travel/explore the loop formed by Paniment Springs, Stovepipe Wells, Scotty's Castly, and the Race Track (ending up back in Paniment Springs).

Anyone is welcome to come, I would love to have the company! Even if someone only wants to meet up for a day or two, that would be great!

olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[YukonBob]

Peggy and I think the wild flowers are going to be very nice this year. We're going to make an effort to get out in the desert and see them.

Death Valley is one of our favorite places. The rooms at the Furance Creek Ranch are a little expensive, $110 in their latest email promotion. We could stay in Beatty. Maybe we could explore up north to Gold Point. Camping at the hot springs in Saline Valley is always an option. I guess it depends on the flowers. I'm thinking three or four days over a weekend.

Anybody got an thoughts or suggest for a good place in California or Arizona? Anybody want to come along?

Moderator Edit : 4/2/2003 11:29:41 PM GMT

[JackSilb]

Aha,

Another place I was not able to explore yet. There is always something coming when I have a trip to Death Valley. Last time I had to pull the plug two days before the trip.
I never did a 4WD trip there. Just drove once on the road to check it out on the way home from one of Harry's trip.
I vote for Death Valley!
-JACK


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[JackSilb]

Bob,

Do you have any proposed date already?
Can we combine with a hiliday?

I vote for the camping option so we can enjoy more the outdoors. I am not sure what the temperature will be [?]
-JACK


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[GoodTimes]

Cecile, thanks for the tips on the books.


I have two of them you recommended (Digonnet's and Mitchells)...those are the two primary sources of info that I have used for this trip so far (well, those and a few maps).

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olllllllo

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

KG6OWO

[JackSilb]

Hey GoodTimes,

How about you start a voting for the Trip options you have in mind?


Lets make use of the resources now avaiable for us in this Forum.
-JACK

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[GoodTimes]

hmmmm....that means I have to figure out how the heck to do that!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


edit****
Hey, I kinda like the "help" section!


Ok, I'll post a poll in a couple of days, I want to give everyone a couple more days to offer different suggestions for the trip, and then I will put them all into the poll rather than just the two that I have already mentioned.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

Last Edited : 3/9/2003 5:59:46 PM GMT

[JackSilb]

[quote]
goodtimes said...

hmmmm....that means I have to figure out how the heck to do that!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

edit****
Hey, I kinda like the "help" section!

Ok, I'll post a poll in a couple of days, I want to give everyone a couple more days to offer different suggestions for the trip, and then I will put them all into the poll rather than just the two that I have already mentioned.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif
That is a good idea because once the poll is up it can't be changed easly. You have to ask the administrator. I know that guy, he will not want to help or do any work for you http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif .
-Jack
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So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[GoodTimes]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

[quote]
goodtimes said...

hmmmm....that means I have to figure out how the heck to do that!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

edit****
Hey, I kinda like the "help" section!

Ok, I'll post a poll in a couple of days, I want to give everyone a couple more days to offer different suggestions for the trip, and then I will put them all into the poll rather than just the two that I have already mentioned.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif
That is a good idea because once the poll is up it can't be changed easly. You have to ask the administrator. I know that guy, he will not want to help or do any work for you http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif .
-Jack

</div>haha....I know what you mean. I think I met that guy once...what a hard ass!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/tongue.gif Besides, I hear he drives a toyota.....and you know how those people are...http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

Toyota folks...
Can't trust them. But you got to love them http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
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[4RunnerDave]

I love Death Valley and it has been about a year since I was there. Almost anywhere you go in DV is great. So I am up for any trails that you pick, a few of the tougher ones would be nice too. And I wouldn't mind a few good hikes to work off all the beer that I might want to have. I know from experience that SteveS knows his way around, but beware of those saucy and impudent people.

Dave L

Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[GoodTimes]

Ok, I have been talking to Steve about the routes that I posted in the other thread for everyone to vote on...(of course no one has done so), but it seems that there is a change of plans. So ignore that poll.

What I need to know, is how many of you are staying for how long. It sounds like some people are making a 3 day weekend out of it. Is that 3 days in Death Valley, or 2 in DV and driving home on the third?

I have been talking to steve about a MUCH longer route, one that would be best over 3 days, but has a fairly easy exit on day #2 for those who need to leave early.

In addition, I need to get a vehicle count, and a head count, to make sure that I don't run into any permitting problems from having too large of a group. I don't see that becoming a issue, but if I have accurate numbers early, I can make sure all is OK with the powers that be.

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
goodtimes said...
Ok, I have been talking to Steve about the routes that I posted in the other thread for everyone to vote on...(of course no one has done so), but it seems that there is a change of plans. So ignore that poll.

What I need to know, is how many of you are staying for how long. It sounds like some people are making a 3 day weekend out of it. Is that 3 days in Death Valley, or 2 in DV and driving home on the third?

I have been talking to steve about a MUCH longer route, one that would be best over 3 days, but has a fairly easy exit on day #2 for those who need to leave early.

In addition, I need to get a vehicle count, and a head count, to make sure that I don't run into any permitting problems from having too large of a group. I don't see that becoming a issue, but if I have accurate numbers early, I can make sure all is OK with the powers that be.
</div>Let me be the first to replyand get a slot.
I will be one of those thatdo the2 days fun and 1 day getting back.
IF, IF, IF things change and I can stay for 3 days I will let you know.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Thanks,
-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]
goodtimes said...
Ok, I have been talking to Steve about the routes that I posted in the other thread for everyone to vote on...(of course no one has done so), but it seems that there is a change of plans. So ignore that poll.

What I need to know, is how many of you are staying for how long. It sounds like some people are making a 3 day weekend out of it. Is that 3 days in Death Valley, or 2 in DV and driving home on the third?

I have been talking to steve about a MUCH longer route, one that would be best over 3 days, but has a fairly easy exit on day #2 for those who need to leave early.

In addition, I need to get a vehicle count, and a head count, to make sure that I don't run into any permitting problems from having too large of a group. I don't see that becoming a issue, but if I have accurate numbers early, I can make sure all is OK with the powers that be.
</div>1 vehicle, 2 people.


Would like to do the 3 day, but have to make sure I can take thetime off. I may have to trade one of the days the weekend before or after to make it happen. Have to see what the work load is when I get back from Baja.


Uwe

[MrS]

[quote]
goodtimes said...
What I need to know, is how many of you are staying for how long. It sounds like some people are making a 3 day weekend out of it. Is that 3 days in Death Valley, or 2 in DV and driving home on the third?
Anita and I plan to be in DV for 3 days. We are thinking about getting a room for Monday night at FC, but since its spring break we are not sure. Either way, we will be with the group on Monday, for most of the day. I have the Sat and Sun off from work, and our plans depend on getting Mon &amp; Tue off from work.
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KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Hey folks. I have a bit of bad news about this trip. Nothing is confirmed yet, but.....


It seems that Daimler-Chrysler is putting on a little shin-dig for Rubicon owners out in Moab on April 17th (Rubicons first anniversary). Dan Mickand the jeep product developement team will be out there with us.


I haven't decided if I am going yet. I have a buddy in Alaska that has been wanting to fly down and go out there with me...but with this short of notice, he may not be able to make it. So, if I decide to go, I may have a extra seat if anyone is interested.


http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL11/870615/1578200/21813966.jpg

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[GoodTimes]

Oh, thought I would mention....in the big picture, there is probably only about a 10% chance that I will go to Moab instead of Death Valley. but since it is a possibility, I figured I should let everyone know. I'll know for sure in the next few days.

In the mean time, I am still planning the DV trip. Hopefully I will be able to find the maps I want this weekend, and will be able to get together with SteveS to look things over this weekend as well.

Whatever happens with my destination should not affect yours! Unless of course you want to go to Moab too! All this planning we are putting in to this should not go to waste!

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
goodtimes said...
Oh, thought I would mention....in the big picture, there is probably only about a 10% chance that I will go to Moab instead of Death Valley. but since it is a possibility, I figured I should let everyone know. I'll know for sure in the next few days.

In the mean time, I am still planning the DV trip. Hopefully I will be able to find the maps I want this weekend, and will be able to get together with SteveS to look things over this weekend as well.

Whatever happens with my destination should not affect yours! Unless of course you want to go to Moab too! All this planning we are putting in to this should not go to waste!
</div>Bummer,


Don't worry, after you plan the whole trip and put together the team we take from there http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif .
I am sure SteveS has lots to share with us in DV.
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[GoodTimes]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

[quote]
goodtimes said...
Oh, thought I would mention....in the big picture, there is probably only about a 10% chance that I will go to Moab instead of Death Valley. but since it is a possibility, I figured I should let everyone know. I'll know for sure in the next few days.

In the mean time, I am still planning the DV trip. Hopefully I will be able to find the maps I want this weekend, and will be able to get together with SteveS to look things over this weekend as well.

Whatever happens with my destination should not affect yours! Unless of course you want to go to Moab too! All this planning we are putting in to this should not go to waste!
Bummer,
Don't worry, after you plan the whole trip and put together the team we take from there http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif .
I am sure SteveS has lots to share with us in DV.
-JACK

Hahaha.....naw, I ain't worried.


I got my official *invitation* to the *event* that everyone has been talking about. The info provided there, combined with the info I got from Jeep this morning, shows just how much hype there is in the *rubicon community*. This event is actually part of the Easter Jeep Safari....it just happens that the two people who headed the project are going to be in attendance, and will be running a portion of 7 Mile Rim (Wipe out hill) with a bunch of rubicon owners, and with Dan Mick spotting (if you have ever gone up wipe out hill, you know that it isn't that technical of an obstical that you needa professional spotter).....


So, long story really short.....I'm going to Death Valley. I'll do Moab next spring.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smile.gif

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[MrS]

goodtimes said...
[quote]
This event is actually part of the Easter Jeep Safari.... with a bunch of rubicon owners, and with Dan Mick spotting (if you have ever gone up wipe out hill, you know that it isn't that technical of an obstical that you needa professional spotter).....

So, long story really short.....I'm going to Death Valley.
[quote]Might be kind of fun to go out there, and wave-off the spotter, tell them you only use a spotter on the hard stuff.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif


Good to hear DV is still your plan, since I won't have the days off for the DV trip till a few weeks before, and it hard to get days off at spring break, kind of busy around here then. But I'm still planning on going, even if I can't go.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/confused.gif


I'm kind of lost with all the Quote boxes

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

[quote]
SteveS said...

goodtimes said...
[quote]
This event is actually part of the Easter Jeep Safari.... with a bunch of rubicon owners, and with Dan Mick spotting (if you have ever gone up wipe out hill, you know that it isn't that technical of an obstical that you needa professional spotter).....

So, long story really short.....I'm going to Death Valley.
[quote]Might be kind of fun to go out there, and wave-off the spotter, tell them you only use a spotter on the hard stuff.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

Hahaha....I thought about that. That would be fun. I did that last time I went up dishpan springs, but I almost got in trouble at the very end of the rock garden at the river crossing (deep creek). But I was able to save face by leaving the jeep idling in 4-lo 1st gear (with both lockers on), getting out andhelping the jeep over the rocks that were holding me up by lifting up on the rear bumper and pushing it forward, then just to look really cool, I calmly walked back up to the jeep (now idling up the trail), and climbing back in, like it was a "every day" type of thing.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/tongue.gif </div>

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

OMG Goodtimes - yer too much d00d http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


I just had this funny vision... maybe for a Rubicon commercial or something...


a guy drives his Jeep up to the rock garden, [the camera switches to inside the vehicle, shows him shift into 4-lo and engaging the lockers] Then the camera outside shows him slide out of the Jeep, and walk over to a shady spot under a tree, then proceeds to crack open a cold beverage. He sips his beverage while he watches the Jeep crawl through the rock garden, then takes some pics of the action with his digi-cam, then moseys on over and climbs back in. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

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Last Edited : 3/20/2003 4:57:41 PM GMT

[WhiteThaiGer]

It's that easy to drive a Rubicon??!! http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif So basically there are only passengers in a Rubicon? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif


Uwe

[GoodTimes]

yea, something like that!

See, jeeps are so cool that they don't even need a driver! The only reason I go is for the scenery.

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[GoodTimes]

All right folks. Here it is. The long awaited "plan".


Due to the fact that several people need to leave on Sunday, things have changed a bit, but I think we have a good trip laid out for everyone. This will get us into some of the more remote areas, on the less traveled roads....places that you probably shouldn't go alone (due to it being so far off the beaten path).


More info will follow as it becomes available (availability of rooms, etc.).


So here we go.


Saturday morning (april 12th), we depart Big Pine at 8:00am (just south of Bishop on 395). From there we will enter Death Valley on "Death Valley Rd" (NW corner of DV). From there we will pick up Eureka Valley Rd, and head south to the Eureka Sand Dunes, Dedeckera Canyon, Steel Pass, and finally the Saline Hot Springs. From there we will head East on Saline Valley Rd, before headingNE againon Lippencott Mine Rd. From there, we will head due north to the Racetrack and Teakettle junction, before turning south again into Hidden Valley, where we plan to set up camp on Saturday night in the general vicinity of Lost burrow mine.


Of course, we will be stopping along the way to check things out as we go. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/wink.gif


Sunday Morning, we once again need a fairly early start (would be great to be moving by 9:00am). If we didnt' get a chance to look at Lost Burrow Mine on Saturday, it would be a good first stop on Sunday. Then we will continue south to Hunter Mountain, and finally back to Saline Valley Rd, which will take us to 190.


It will probably be early afternoon when we get back to that point, and would be a good departure point for those who need to leave on Sunday, unless they want a late departure, in which case they can continue on to check out Darwin Falls with the rest of us. After we are done goofing off there, the plan it to head down the east side of the Argus Range, and camp Sunday Night just south of the park boundry.


Monday morning (if there is anyone left), the plan is to work our way down to Ballarat, on to Golar Wash, and then continue east to 178, then north into Furnas Creek for the night. Ok, so the plans for monday are kind of vague. Well, we don't know how many are planning on staying that long, if anyone (besides myself). So we didn't spend much time on it. But if anyone does want to stay for an additional day (or two, or three, or four, or.....), I still plan on being there until Thursday or Friday.


So, have we managed to scare anyone off yet?


Who is still in, and how long are you staying?

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

Hi GoodTimes,

Not bad for a last minute plan.
When you have a chance, we expect more details and interesting things to see. What to bring, where to eat, etc.
I mean a good job as the same level as other are posting here.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/roll.gif
I know you drive a Jeep and that it does not need a driver. But still, do some home work for us, OK?http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif

Thanks,
-JACK

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Last Edited : 3/24/2003 10:55:15 PM GMT

[MrsS]

Maybe you should change the topic of this trip to Death Valley. Wildflowers is kind of general and people may think it's about seeing wildflowers. Just a thought.

AnitaS

[MrsS]

Here is some info regarding hotels for DV. We have a reservation at the Big Pine Motel for April 11. Phone number is 760-938-2282. Rooms are $36-$42. They plenty of rooms. We have a reservation at Furnace Creek for April 14. Phone number is 760-786-2345. Rooms are $142-$164. They have a few rooms left. They also have a couple of cabins for 4110 but they were smoking only. They have a 48-hour cancellation. I wouldn't wait too long to make reservations at Furnace Creek. You can always cancel them later on. Good luck!
AnitaS

[JackSilb]

Thanks Anita,

We will get something on the same Motel.

thanks,
-JACK

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[JohnR]

Hey guys!


Well, this trip sounds like alot of fun...can count me and the boy (Nicholas) in for at least Friday thru Sunday afternoon...slight chance of staying until Monday, but we'll see...


DV is a cool (well, maybe not, he he) place and it'll be nice to see it again; it's been many moons!


fwiw - are there many gas stations in the vicinity? Obviously, talking about the "main" road ;) just curious...hate to run out in those parts!

[MrS]

[quote]
John R said...

fwiw - are there many gas stations in the vicinity? Obviously, talking about the "main" road ;) just curious...hate to run out in those parts!
No,very few places to get gas (for your vehicle) We will fill up at Big Pine (sat morning), then we won't be able to get fuel till we get to Panamint Springs (PS)on Sun afternoon, that is if they have gas. I know my truck will make it, but if you use alot of fuel, or have a small tank, carry extra. For people heading home on Sunday, you needfuel to get to Olancha, unless you head home via PS.


Glad to see you are making it John.


FYI Anita said:
"They also have a couple of cabins for 4110 but they were smoking only."


That should read:
They also have a couple of cabins for$110 but they were smoking only.




I know I'm the VERY last person to point out type-o's, but I figured it a little easier when you know the "4" should be a "$"


I think by now most of us know why the 4 and the $ use the same key. Since a $X$ and a 4X4 are the same thing. :-)

KF6YSB

[BajaTaco]

Hey John, good to see ya here pal

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[GoodTimes]

Steve, do you have a number that I can actually reach a real person in DV? All I can get it their darn automated system....the road info hasn't been updated since mid december! And of course their automated system doesn't tell me anything about any possible permitting issues, etc.....

BTW, thanks for the food/beer/hospitality Sunday! You too Anita! /4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[MrS]

The Ph # I have is at home, I haven't used it in years. I look for it.


I checked roads this morning, as of 3-25-02 all roads are open to our type of vehicles. I will send you that link in a few days when I recheck it.


We forgot to check for the map store. Call me(to help me remember) and I will get it when you are on the phone.

KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

[quote]
SteveS said...
Since a $X$ and a 4X4 are the same thing. :-)Hi Steve,

This was a good one. It should go to a book. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

I guess we are getting use of this site as we planned. It is very nice to see people meeting and the 4WDTrips getting done.


John, welcome! I hope you will enjoy this Forum as we do.

-JACK
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Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

Last Edited : 3/26/2003 12:20:53 PM GMT

[JackSilb]

[quote]
AnitaS said...
Maybe you should change the topic of this trip to Death Valley. Wildflowers is kind of general and people may think it's about seeing wildflowers. Just a thought.

AnitaS
[quote]
Done.</o:p>
I hope it is better now.
</o:p>
Hey GoodTimes, where are those electronic maps for the area we are planning to visit?
</o:p>
I was under the impression that the person that is putting the trips together agrees to provide TOPOs and 3D Views for the areas we are exploring. You can use our Photo Gallery (under test to store all the images and then link back to your postings. Use the same User ID and password for the Forum. See the main page links www.4wdtrips.net (http://www.4wdtrips.net) (Photos)
</o:p>
-JACK</o:p>
</o:p>
</div>

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
JackSilb said...
[quote]
I was under the impression that the person that is putting the trips together agrees to provide TOPOs and 3D ViewsHa Ha http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/idea.gif Ha HAhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smhair.gif Ha HA http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gifHa HAhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gifHa Ha http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smile.gifhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gifhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif


Sure Jackhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/yeah.gif , you may not want to wait for the maps to the Mojave trip.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/shakehead.gif Toooo Funny. Maybe next we need an avatar and a web site to go on these trips. Ha HAhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif

KF6YSB

[MrS]

goodtimes said...
Steve, do you have .........the road info hasn't been updated since mid december!
Try this for weather and roads</div>
http://www.nps.gov/deva/Morning.pdf


I figured I dig this up now while I was LMAO thinking of Jack post. I think I went down 1 whole butt size already http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

KF6YSB

[JohnR]

Thanks guys :) Now I have another board to check out, he he...boss will someday wonder why he hears all this typing throughout the day, lol...boy, this ought to be a great trip, really looking forward to it!

Wow, so where we're meeting is close to Bishop? didn't realize DV went up so farth North...guess that makes sense though, cause don't you 'normally' catch it off the 15; least the south end of it...I've always wanted to take 395, so this may be it...

Damn, so sounds like I need to get a gas can to add to my collection :D The GC gets decent mileage (17-20 on the highway, 14-16 on the road) and has a generous tank (23 gallons), but still, my luck...

[GoodTimes]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

[quote]
AnitaS said...
Maybe you should change the topic of this trip to Death Valley. Wildflowers is kind of general and people may think it's about seeing wildflowers. Just a thought.

AnitaS
[quote]
Done.</o:p>
I hope it is better now.
</o:p>
Hey GoodTimes, where are those electronic maps for the area we are planning to visit?
</o:p>
I was under the impression that the person that is putting the trips together agrees to provide TOPOs and 3D Views for the areas we are exploring. You can use our Photo Gallery (under test to store all the images and then link back to your postings. Use the same User ID and password for the Forum. See the main page links www.4wdtrips.net (http://www.4wdtrips.net) (Photos)
</o:p>
-JACK</o:p>
</o:p>

</div>Anita, thanks for the idea, and Jack, thanks for running with it!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smile.gif
[quote]Jack, I think Steve's response was pretty accurate!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif
[quote]Uh....I don't have any of the software to play with the maps with such finesse like Bob and Uwe, and if I did, I wouldn't have the knowledge! Some day I might, but right now it is far from the top of the list of "things to do". Depending on the availability of classed this summer, I may have time to learn some of it....but for now, I am afraid I will have to remain a slacker in the area of 3-D maps 'n stuff.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/eyes.gif

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

OK then, we will let go this time. But don't tell Uwe or Bob. If not, they lower the standard.

John R, you are in a much better shape in terms of gas than some of us. My 4Runner has a 18 gallon gas tank and makes less than 15 miles p/ gallon.

-Jack

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[4RunnerDave]

Hey Goodtimes,
I think I expressed interest in your trip in an earlier post, but officially count Julie and I in. Our plan would be to stay through Monday - Maybe Tuesday (what are you planning for Tuesday?)

Dave L.
KC6MPQ

[JackSilb]

Hello,

I have some good NEWS. Guess when the spring break for the kids is this year? Yes, 14 to 18. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif
I guess this is the first time ever they have the spring break that will allow me to make a 4WD trip.

Now, I am interested in the next days besides Saturday and Sunday. I may stick around for some more days if my family give me the OK. Lets make sure that Saturday and Sunday are fun so they want to stick around.

GoodTimes and Steve, did you close on a plan for Monday and Tuesday? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif
-JACK

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[MrS]

Here my 2 cents on what has been planned from Tues on.


Since we didn't know who was going, or staying passed Tues, we didn't set-up anything. A &amp; I will need to head home around Tues (if I get the days off) but I'm sure Brian is open to go almost anywhere, and a plan for the other days can be worked out, even if you/we wait till we are in the park.


Is there a list of names that are going?


If no list yet, make sure you put me on it for at least Sat &amp; 1/2 of Sunday. I will update you as soon as I know I have all the days off I asked for.

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Well, I had a nice long post with answers to everyones questions, but for some reason, I got 'logged out' while typing it, so when I 'logged in' again, all was lost.

Anyway, no, there is no plan beyond Monday. Wednsday and Thursday I plan to be hiking, possibly tuesday too....all depends on who is still around, and what we all feel like doing. I'll bring a couple of books, and we all will have our maps, so we can always figure something out Monday evening around the camp fire if we need to.

OK, enough goofing off--I gotta get back to work before the boss starts wondering what the heck I am doing in here!

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
goodtimes said...

OK, enough goofing off--I gotta get back to work before the boss starts wondering what the heck I am doing in here!
</div>
[quote]That is good. Work first, then fun.
[quote]How about we at least close on a plan for Monday. I belive some people will stay until Monday.
[quote]Huh, I am sure you will tell me that I should look first before making this question because the answer is here already.
[quote]Thanks,
[quote]-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
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[MrS]

There was a story in the LA times about DVNP today. In the past these stories have brought extra people to DV in the following months. So Anita called me at work today to let people know, and if they haven't make reservations at FC, to think about it.

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Thanks for the warning Steve, but I will be camping that night, although I may ask to borrow your shower before dinner that night. Or, depending on how dirty I am, you may ask me to borrow your shower before dinner! hahaha

Jack, back on page 2, I laid out this basic plan for Monday.

'Monday morning (if there is anyone left), the plan is to work our way down to Ballarat, on to Golar Wash, and then continue east to 178, then north into Furnas Creek for the night. Ok, so the plans for monday are kind of vague. Well, we don't know how many are planning on staying that long, if anyone (besides myself). So we didn't spend much time on it. But if anyone does want to stay for an additional day (or two, or three, or four, or.....), I still plan on being there until Thursday or Friday.'

That route would include (as I recall anyway.....) heading south on Panimint Valley Road, and then east to Ballarat. Then south on Indian Ranch Road, east through golar wash, north over Mengal Pass, North-east through Butte Valley, east down Warm Springs Canyon, and then north on 178 back up to Furnace Creek.

As for Tuesday....why don't we consider going up Echo Canyon? It starts right there outside Furnace Creek...we could go up as far as we feel like (how much time do we have?), and then back down.

Wednsday I plan on hiking up to Hungry Bills Ranch, and Thursday I plan on checking out Grotto Canyon to do some rock climbing. Friday, I plan on driving home...

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
SteveS said...

There was a story in the LA times about DVNP today. In the past these stories have brought extra people to DV in the following months. So Anita called me at work today to let people know, and if they haven't make reservations at FC, to think about it.
</div>
[quote]Oops, I have zero reservations so far.
[quote]I need to hurry.
[quote]I just came back from some exploration in Northern California. Did some easy 4WD. I have to plan something for the you guys in the Summer right?
[quote]I love this palce. Lots of green and water. I will write about it later.
[quote]-JACK

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[GoodTimes]

Jack, I will probably be up for something up north this summer!

Unfortunately, both Memorial day and Labor day are already booked, and the 4th of July is probably booked as well. But I am not opposed to taking a couple days off of work to go explore up there!

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[BajaTaco]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

[quote]... I just came back from some exploration in Northern California. Did some easy 4WD. I have to plan something for the you guys in the Summer right?
[quote]I love this palce. Lots of green and water. I will write about it later.
[quote]-JACK
[quote]
[quote]
[quote]Good that you are finally exploring your back yard Jack http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif
[quote]
[quote]I doubt we could make a trip this year, we are really booked up already, and that is a looooong drive.
</div>

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[JackSilb]

Hello,

Just another status. I got my reservation on the Big Pine Motel.
I check some info on the web. It seems that they just have 14 rooms. I did not have a problem getting mine.

According to Mapblast I will a 6 hour and 40 min drive in front of me.
What is not clear is if I need to get through any pass that may be closed.
I have to get 101, 92, 880, 238, 580, 205, 120, 395, 168.

Who knows which HW has the pass over the mountains that I need to check if it is open?

Thanks,
-JACK

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[JackSilb]

Hello,


What temperature range do we expect to see during this trip?
Day - mid day - night.
We will bring our 1.5 year son with us.


Thanks,
-JACK



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[GoodTimes]

Jack, as you probably know, the weather in DV can be on the unpredictable side, but here is some info that will hopefully give you an idea of what to expect during the month of April.

Absolute Maximum temp: 110*f
Mean Maximum temp: 90*f
Mean temp:75*f
Mean Minimum temp:60*f
Absolute Minimum temp: 35*f

Those temps are from the official temperature statistics recorded at Furnace Creek, averaged over 70 years, ending in the mid 80's. Credit goes to Michel Digonnet.

Keep in mind that Furnace Creek is pretty close to sea level. Much of our trip will be at a higher elevation.
</div>

olllllllo
KG6OWO
Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

GoodTimes,


So we should see lower temperature then, right?
It may be cold at night .... http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif


-JACK

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[Cecile]

Looks like after my Mojave Expedition on the 12th and 13th,Roger is going to drop me off at Cerro Gordo for the week.I'll be getting the American Hotel ready for tourist season. Still working on details, so I'll keep you guys posted - but you guys might want to consider stopping up there and saying hello on your way back from Death Valley. I'll more than likely be up there from the 14th through the 19th.

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

[JackSilb]

Hi Cecile,

This is one idea. I have to check a map and see what is all involved. Thanks for the invitation.
I liked very much my last visit to Cerro Gordo.

-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[JackSilb]

[quote]
AnitaS said...
Here is some info regarding hotels for DV. We have a reservation at the Big Pine Motel for April 11. Phone number is 760-938-2282. Rooms are $36-$42. They plenty of rooms. We have a reservation at Furnace Creek for April 14. Phone number is 760-786-2345. Rooms are $142-$164. They have a few rooms left. They also have a couple of cabins for 4110 but they were smoking only. They have a 48-hour cancellation. I wouldn't wait too long to make reservations at Furnace Creek. You can always cancel them later on. Good luck!
AnitaSHello,


I just called Furnace Creek. They are sold out for the 4/14.
Is there any other alternative for something with showers?


If not, the lucky ones that got rooms may consider sharing the shower http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/turn.gif .


-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...
Thanks for the warning Steve, but I will be camping that night,....

As for Tuesday....why don't we consider going up Echo Canyon? It starts right there outside Furnace Creek...we could go up as far as we feel like (how much time do we have?), and then back down.
[quote]If it was me, which it's not because I have a roomhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif I would be camping on Echo Canyon Road. Thats about the best place close to FC to camp. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif


BTW, Echo Canyon road goes all the way to NV.


I still don't know if I have those days off, so my room may be up for sale. :-(

KF6YSB

[MrS]

[quote]
Cecile said...

Looks like after my Mojave Expedition on the 12th and 13th,Roger is going to drop me off at Cerro Gordo for the week.........but you guys might want to consider stopping up there and saying hello Thanks for the invite, but Anita and I won't be getting very close to CG. We will pass thru Lee Flat, but I don't think we'll head up the Mtn unless we need to do a route change.


Thanks again.

KF6YSB

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]
SteveS said...

[quote]If it was me, which it's not because I have a roomhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/scool.gif I would be camping on Echo Canyon Road. Thats about the best place close to FC to camp. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif

</div>We've camped on Echo canyon road before when the campground in FC was full and they were putting people on the overflow campground, i.e. parking lot. We actually put our tent up there too, but then ran into a ranger who asked us why we would stay in a parking lot if we had a 4Runner. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smile.gif OOps He recommended Echo canyon
[quote]
[quote]Re accomodation, is there any good place to stay about 2h south of Big Pine? I don't know when we'll get out from here and it might be just a little far to go all the way Friday night. Street Atlas shows some 7.5h drive. I also won't know until next week if I can take the Monday off.
[quote]
[quote]Uwe

[GoodTimes]

Steve, is Echo Canyon nearly as rough as the books all make it sound?

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[AlWalter]

[quote]
WhiteThaiGer said...

[quote]


[quote]Re accomodation, is there any good place to stay about 2h south of Big Pine? I don't know when we'll get out from here and it might be just a little far to go all the way Friday night. Street Atlas shows some 7.5h drive. I also won't know until next week if I can take the Monday off.
[quote]
[quote]UweYou could try Jawbone Canyon area or Red Rock Canyon State Park. Hope you all have a great time. I'm sorry to have to miss this trip.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
Uwe said...

[quote]Re accomodation, is there any good place to stay about 2h south of Big Pine? I don't know when we'll get out from here and it might be just a little far to go all the way Friday night. Street Atlas shows some 7.5h drive. I also won't know until next week if I can take the Monday off.
[quote]UweUwe,


Marcelo and I will drive late too. Marcelo is coming from San Diego. I will be leaving from Santa Ana.
We will drive all the way to Big Pine.
We can keep you awake if you are looking for company. And is you really need help to get awake we can let you take our two boys. They will need change before they sleep and they will make lots of noise because they will not be on their beds ...
-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[JackSilb]

[quote]
Jack said...
According to Mapblast I will a 6 hour and 40 min drive in front of me.
What is not clear is if I need to get through any pass that may be closed.
I have to get 101, 92, 880, 238, 580, 205, 120, 395, 168.

Who knows which HW has the pass over the mountains that I need to check if it is open?

[quote]Thanks for the non replies. That made me study a bit more.
[quote]It was too easy. HW 120 is closed due to winter. Come-on, is it still winter?
[quote]I am sure you know about this, but here it goes anyway. At the URL bellow you can check the road status.
[quote]http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi
[quote]Here is what I have for HW120
[quote]
[quote]
California HW said...
SR120
[CENTRALCALIFORNIA&amp;SIERRANEVADA]
THEWESTBOUNDCONNECTORTOSOUTHBOUNDI5/INMANTECA/(SANJOAQUINCO)
ISCLOSEDFROM2000HRSEACHNIGHTTO0400HRSEACHMORNINGMO NDAYTHRUFRIDAY
THRU4/4/03-DUETOCONSTRUCTION-ADETOURISAVAILABLE

ISCLOSEDFROMCRANEFLATTO3MIWESTOFTHEJCTOFUS395/TIOGAPASS/
(TUOLUMNE,MONOCO's)-WINTERCLOSURE-THEYOSEMITENATLPARKENTRANCEON
SR120ISOPEN

CHAINSORSNOWTIRESAREREQUIREDFROM14.5MIEASTOFGROVEL ANETO
THEYOSEMITENATLPARKBNDRY(TUOLUMNECO)

[EASTERNSIERRANEVADA]
ISCLOSEDFROMCRANEFLATTO3MIWESTOFTHEJCTOFUS395/TIOGAPASS/
(TUOLUMNE,MONOCO's)-WINTERCLOSURE
I looked at the map. The elevation on this pass/road gets up to ~12,000 FT. It goes through Yosemite. This is a must drive during Summer. It is probably very nice.
[quote]
[quote]The next closes pass is HW 108. No better http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/mad.gif .
[quote]
[quote]
Clifornia WY said
SR108
[CENTRALCALIFORNIA&amp;SIERRANEVADA]
ISCLOSEDFROM7.2MIEASTOFSTRAWBERRYTO5.3MIWESTOFTHE
JCTOFUS395/SONORAPASS/(TUOLUMNE,MONOCO's)-WINTERCLOSURE

CHAINSORSNOWTIRESAREREQUIREDFROMEASTTWAINHARTETO7. 2MIEASTOF
STRAWBERRY(TUOLUMNECO)

1-WAYCONTROLLEDTRAFFIC1.3MIEASTOFSONORA(TUOLUMNECO)F ROM0900HRS
TO1430HRSTHRU4/4/03-DUETOPERMITWORK

[EASTERNSIERRANEVADA]
ISCLOSEDFROM7.2MIEASTOFSTRAWBERRYTO5.3MIWESTOFTHE
JCTOFUS395/SONORAPASS/(TUOLUMNE,MONOCO's)-WINTERCLOSURE

OK, where this leave me in terms of drive?
[quote]I will have to pay a visit to Southern CA then drive north again. That will be about 12 hours drive.
[quote]I am not sure if the AZ folks are coming. I am wondering how long their drive will be.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif
[quote]Thanks,
[quote]-JACK
[quote]


</div>

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

Last Edited : 4/2/2003 6:56:52 PM GMT

[JackSilb]

Hi GoodTimes,


Do you have a list of who is coming? Confirmed?


Do we have a final:
Where are we meeting?
What time are we leaving?
What CB Channel to use? What VHF frequency to use?


What route are we taking in case the late people like me can catch the pack? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/blush.gif


Thanks,
-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[GoodTimes]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

Hi GoodTimes,

Do you have a list of who is coming? Confirmed?

Do we have a final:
Where are we meeting?
What time are we leaving?
What CB Channel to use? What VHF frequency to use?

What route are we taking in case the late people like me can catch the pack? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/blush.gif

Thanks,
-JACK
</div>
[quote]1: I have no idea!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif
[quote]2: Big Pine Motel parkinglot.
[quote]3: We depart at 8:00am sharp. (that means you have to be there before8:00am, or you will be awefully lonely!)
[quote]4: CB = ch 12, VHF = 146.535
[quote]5: I don't know, I will have to look at a map to find out.

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...
[quote]1: I have no idea!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif
[quote]2: Big Pine Motel parkinglot.
[quote]3: We depart at 8:00am sharp. (that means you have to be there before8:00am, or you will be awefully lonely!)
[quote]4: CB = ch 12, VHF = 146.535
[quote]5: I don't know, I will have to look at a map to find out.
</div>OK, a very loose trip. The ones we really can have fun! http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/wink.gif
SteveS may get uncomfortable without rules.
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[JackSilb]

Hello,


Can you confirm that you are coming? What time are you planning to arrive?


SteveS and Anita - Yes - ~ 7:00 PM @ Big Pine Motel
GoodTimes - Yes - ~ 7:00 PM @ Big Pine Motel
Jack and gang- Yes - ~ 1:00 AM @ Big Pine Motel




Thanks,
-JACK







So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[Cecile]

http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gifHey, we'll be monitoring the same radio frequency while doing the Mojave Expedition that weekend so give us a shout! Al will be with us too, but he can't talk to you since he doesn't have ham radio. Guess we'll just have to talk about him, sound good?

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

[JackSilb]

[quote]
Cecile said...

http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gifHey, we'll be monitoring the same radio frequency while doing the Mojave Expedition that weekend so give us a shout! Al will be with us too, but he can't talk to you since he doesn't have ham radio. Guess we'll just have to talk about him, sound good?
</div>
[quote]Hi Cecile,
[quote]Simplex will probably not work. We mayfind a repeater that will cover both places. I am sure Roger will know one.
[quote]-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[GoodTimes]

Jack, I don't like rules. Heck, I usually end up breaking them anyway, so I don't set many. About the only steadfast rule I have, is that everyone obide by the rules setforth in my 'standard off road trip disclaimer'.

For those that don't know what my 'standard off road trip disclaimer', I have included it here:

Tread Lightly or you will be asked to leave.
Stupidity (often brought on by excessive drinking), cussing, and/or reckless behavior will not be tolerated (I omit the cussing rule if there are no children within ear-shot).
No driving under the influence of a mood &/or mind altering substance(s).
Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
If you do anything really stupid, I will report you to the proper authorities.
Anyone who contributes to my 'jeep mod fund' (not tax deductable) will be specified as a 'really cool person'.
No party poopers allowed.

I hope you all can find that acceptable.

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...
Jack, I don't like rules. Heck, I usually end up breaking them anyway, so I don't set many. About the only steadfast rule I have, is that everyone obide by the rules setforth in my "standard off road trip disclaimer".

For those that don't know what my "standard off road trip disclaimer", I have included it here:

Tread Lightly or you will be asked to leave.
Stupidity (often brought on by excessive drinking), cussing, and/or reckless behavior will not be tolerated (I omit the cussing rule if there are no children within ear-shot).
No driving under the influence of a mood &amp;/or mind altering substance(s).
Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
If you do anything really stupid, I will report you to the proper authorities.
Anyone who contributes to my "jeep mod fund" (not tax deductable) will be specified as a "really cool person".
No party poopers allowed.

I hope you all can find that acceptable.
</div>These are good + Dirve at your own risk. But, you know SteveS. He may want more. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


I am just playing here.
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...
Steve, is Echo Canyon nearly as rough as the books all make it sound?
</div>I haven't read the books yet. :-( I was up the the last time about 7-8 years ago, so things may have changed. The road is easy, there is a set of dry falls in one area, but I have seen stock vehicles (JGC) do it fine. We can go checkout he dry falls and size things up then.

KF6YSB

[MrS]

JackSilb said...These are good + Dirve at your own risk. But, you know SteveS. He may want more. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif
[quote]
I can only add the "$5 fine for whining"
[quote]If you are running late. We will be heading North of Big pine for a few miles to 168 East, to Death Valley road (TURN RIGHT) to South Eureka Rd. If you are less than an hour late you should be able to catch us at Eureka Sand Dunes

</div>

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Good point Jack, I usually forget to point that out, since I consider 'driving' to be one of 'your own actions' (you know, the ones you are responsible for---hahaha).

Steve, I like the $5 fine thing....I may have to impliment that!/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/wink.gif

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

Hello,</div>
</div>
I just realized that we have Mr. Death Valley in this Forum and we have not touch basis with him. His userID is Bighorn. I am not sure why he did not jump in here to give some ideas or plan meeting us while we are at his backyard. Maybe Bighorn is shy. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/blush.gif </div>
</div>
Here is his nice site http://www.death-valley.us</div>
</o:p></div>
Thanks,</div>
-JACK</o:p></div>

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

Hello,

I just realized that we have Mr. Death Valley in this Forum and we have not touch basis with him. His userID is Bighorn.
Here is his nice site http://www.death-valley.us</o:p>
</div>I like to add there is a very good "Southwest Desert" Forum there you can post non-DV info. or questions. Very helpful site, and I do check in there from time to time, hopefully I'll see ya there.
[quote]
[quote]Jack, you said the Ranch was full, did you check the Inn? There is only Stovepipe wells, but its about 20 miles one-way

KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

[quote]
SteveS said...

[quote]Jack, you said the Ranch was full, did you check the Inn? There is only Stovepipe wells, but its about 20 miles one-way
[quote]What? The Inn?
[quote]Can you give me more information on that please.
[quote]
[quote]Thanks,
[quote]-JACK
[quote]

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

The Furnace creek inn is 760-786-2345. I hear its a nice place, but I've never stayed there. Let us know what you find out.

KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

[quote]
SteveS said...

The Furnace creek inn is 760-786-2345. I hear its a nice place, but I've never stayed there. Let us know what you find out.
</div>They had one room, Delux. Just $330.00.
I guess I am camping that night if I don't drive out with Marcelo. Or maybe going to a Motel "close" by.


Thanks,
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
Jack wrote:
"I guess I am camping that night if I don't drive out with Marcelo. Or maybe going to a Motel "close" by."

Close-by, I know for you that is within 200 mileshttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smile.gif
[quote]For those of you who like MORE rules, or want to see the Park rules, check this site;
[quote]http://www.nps.gov/deva/FrameSet_backcamp.htm
[quote]
[quote]
</div>

KF6YSB

Last Edited : 4/4/2003 7:58:34 AM GMT

[MrS]

OBTY I found (and photocpied) the memo that authorized my days off for the DV trip today. So SteveS is Happpy Happy Happy. Its not carved in stone ( the Schedule book) but I going with it. I didn't get the whole week, but I'm covered for the days I'd planned.





KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

SeveS,


What days are you talking about? Until Tuesday?

-JACK

</div>

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
JackSilb said...

SeveS,

What days are you talking about? Until Tuesday?

-JACK


</div>Yeap, I need to be back here on Wednesday. :-)


I was thinking about that $330 room, if you would have called when I posted it, you could have got the $160 cheap-o room like us.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif Oh well, camping in DV is alot better than most motel rooms anyway, but I'm looking forward to our room after two nights of camping.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cool.gif


OK I'm ready, can we go now, OR do we have to wait till the 11th?



KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Well, we could leave right now....but I know my boss wouldn't be happy with that decision, and I'll bet yours wouldn't either!

Good to hear you got the time off Steve!

When are you and Anita planning on heading north? For that matter, when is everyone else from the LA/OC area heading north? I plan on leaving work early next friday (noonish)......that should get me into the valley before traffic piles up. I have a reservation at the same place as Steve and Jack.......

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

GoodTimes,

I have a posting with the same questions and space for people to reply.

No replies so far.

Marcelo and I will leave after the trafic. We will meet somewhere close to LA around 6:00 PM. We should get to the motel by 1:00 AM including the breaks for the kids.

I don't know who is going for sure besides You, Steve, Marcelo, and I.
Dave? Uwe? Bob? BajaTaco? Wolfie?

I know Bob started this Thread, but he has been too quiet recently.

-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[BajaTaco]

I won't be making this trip. sorry

________________________________________________
http://www.bajataco.com
Vibram or BFG - getting there on rubber and seeing it all!
KD7UUS

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]
JackSilb said...
Marcelo and I will leave after the trafic. We will meet somewhere close to LA around 6:00 PM. We should get to the motel by 1:00 AM including the breaks for the kids.


If we go we would leave around the same time, i.e. 5ish from here. We'll probably decide by mid week if we go. I'm hesitant to go if I can not take Monday off, too much driving...


We don't have a Motel, do the ones on 395 fill up?


Uwe

[GoodTimes]

Wow, you guys are NUTS! Leaving LA that time of night....on a Friday no less!

I found a list I had made up earlier in the discussion, but I dont' know if it is accurate anymore.

Me
Uwe
Steve
Dave
Jack
Bob

(and of course all the associated passengers).

We may have one person from zr2.com join us on Monday, but I am not sure yet. We are still trying to work out the logistics of that meeting.

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...
Wow, you guys are NUTS! Leaving LA that time of night....on a Friday no less!

I know, I hate driving though LA! That's one reason I only want to make the drive if I can stay till Monday.
On the other hand, I have done this before and it wasn't all horrible. We use I15 from here it it misses quite a bit of LA. The problem are Las Vegas travellers, they really should build a high speed train line to get these people of the roads!


Uwe

[YukonBob]

I started the the topic about wild flowers and get back from Baja to see it's been changed to Death Valley. Just showed me not to stay away too long. Your trips can change.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/smilewinkgrin.gif I saw plenty of wild flowers in Baja.


Seriously, it looks like I won't be making Death Valley. Something else has come up and I hope to be in the Four Corners area that week. Something else I'm delinquent in posting.http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/nono.gif


I'm sorry to miss the opportunity to travel with Steve through Death Valley. It should really be good. And I don't think I could find a better cast of characters to enjoy the pleasant surroundings. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cry.gif


Jack, if you really want a hotel room you could probably find one in Beatty at the casino for a reasonable cost. I've used Beatty as the base of operations for many a Death Valley adventure because the prices at Furnace Creek are a little high. Of course, the casino made the cost about the same as staying at Furnace Creek so I'm not sure I did the right thing.

[JackSilb]

[quote]
Bob said...

Jack, if you really want a hotel room you could probably find one in Beatty at the casino for a reasonable cost. I've used Beatty as the base of operations for many a Death Valley adventure because the prices at Furnace Creek are a little high. Of course, the casino made the cost about the same as staying at Furnace Creek so I'm not sure I did the right thing.
[quote]Thanks Bob. I will take a look at that.
[quote]I am sorry you will not make this trip. It would be great. But hey, we sill have many months in front of us to plan new trips.
[quote]That bring me to the question, what are the plans for the next holidays? I will start a Thread on that.
[quote]-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
JackSilb said...
I have a posting with the same questions and space for people to reply.

No replies so far.
</div>I've not seen that. So I'll look for it later, but I post my plans here.


Anita and I are heading out from LA around 9ish in the morning on Friday. Got a few stops to make on the way and I going to visit a guy in Big Pine. I hope to get to BP around 4 to 6pm go visit and be back at the motel by 8 or 9pm. But the only thing I have set in stone is to be heading out of BP with you guys one week from today, at about this time in the morning

KF6YSB

[MrS]

[quote]
YukonBob said...

I started the the topic about wild flowers and get back from Baja to see it's been changed to Death Valley. Just showed me not to stay away too long. Your trips can change.

IMO It's better to go to Baja (or anywhere) than being home, on the net watching Jacks web site. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


Too bad that Bob, Baja, &amp; Al not making it, you guys will be missed (and talked about, and not in a good way)http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif





KF6YSB

[Cecile]

Al will be with us on Saturday and Sunday so he won't be too lonely and he'll still be out having a good time, as will Roger and I, and Robin of Shoshone, and 8 or 9 other vehicles full of people I know &amp; don't know!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/hop.gif

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

[MrS]

[quote]
Cecile said...

Al will be with us ......out having a good time, as will Roger and I, and Robin of Shoshone.....
Ask Robin if she knows "Robin of Tecopa" :-)Ha HA Tell her Anita and I said hi. You can tell Roger, Marty and Al hi for us too, if Al complains about his ears burning, tell him its NOT us talking about him. :-)


Cecile, have you been to Tecopa? Since someone brought upTecopa, did I ever tell you about the Tecopa SWAT team? Thats one of those "when I worked at Honda" stories.


Kind of a slow day here and I'm trying to kill some time before I head home.

KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

Just for your information, Marcelo got a room in the same Motel.
Believe it or not, we never get reserveations in advance. This is a change for the Brazilians. I hope that by dogin this we are not changing our chances to actually make to the trip.


Claudia and Macelo called Georgia to give a hand in making sure she was coming to the trip. Gerogia does not know about the ~ 12 hours drive (~ 6 to L.A. and ~ 6 to Big Pine). Lets keep this way.


-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[BajaTaco]

[quote]
SteveS said...
[quote]Too bad that Bob, Baja, &amp; Al not making it, you guys will be missed (and talked about, and not in a good way)http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


</div>Hey now!! http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/nono.gif


http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gifhttp://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/rofl.gif

http://www.bajataco.com
Vibram or BFG - getting there on rubber and seeing it all!
KD7UUS

[JackSilb]

[quote]
Cecile said...

Al will be with us on Saturday and Sunday so he won't be too lonely and he'll still be out having a good time, as will Roger and I, and Robin of Shoshone, and 8 or 9 other vehicles full of people I know &amp; don't know!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/hop.gif
</div>Cecile,


Did Roger find that repeater yet? It would be nice if we can say a hello.


-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

Where is the list of names? I like to email everyone going, and get Cell-phone #'s from those with phones.

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Brian (me)
Uwe / ???
Steve / Anita
Dave / ???

Jack/Georgia/Pedro/Giovanna/Eric *
Marcelo/Claudia/Lucas

I don't know who is coming as far as wives / kids / girlfriends / mistresses ( http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif ) are concerned, other than Anita, hence the "???".

These are the people who have said they were going at some point in this thread. I have removed Bob/Peggy, and John since they have very recently said that they were not going.

If I missed anyone, PLEASE let me know ASAP so that we know who to expect (unless you are coming with someone that is already on the list).

If you are on the list, and are not going to make it, again, please let me know so that we know you aren't coming.

As a reminder, we depart the Big Pine Motel at 8:00am, Saturday morning.

Steve, FYI, I am currently hammering out the details with a new guy over at zr2.com about meeting him Sunday night. The plan is to set up camp, then go back into Paniment Springs to meet him at whatever time, and then come back to camp. Details will follow.

*Jack may have to get the "most crouded vehicle award", along with the "most patient driver" award http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif</div>

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

Last Edited : 4/8/2003 1:01:41 PM GMT

[JackSilb]

Jack/Georgia/Pedro/Giovanna/Eric

Marcelo/Claudia/Lucas

-JACK

</div>

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[MrS]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...


Steve, FYI, I am currently hammering out the details with a new guy over at zr2.com about meeting him Sunday night. The plan is to set up camp, then go back into Paniment Springs to meet him at whatever time, and then come back to camp. Details will follow.Thanks for the list, I can send out an Email now. Thanks


About meeting people in PS. Weeellllll I was kind of thinkin, maybe, we could sorta, possiable make a maybe small change on the sunday plan. Not that its a big deal or anything, or not something we have to do, but maybe we could use our Sunday to do a run up Pleasent Canyon :-) Since South park is blocked, Pleasent is going to get alot less use and may overgrow (hence be closed like the 10 other canyons in that area) so we should take all of us up thereBEFORE the the place closes. Its a real neat area, and I seem to remember some good camping area that are outside the park (we could have a campfire). Well maybe not, but if we can I know both Dave and I would love one more shot at that area. So we can talk about this before Sunday, and by then you'll know if you need to meet up with the guy or not.


It would be neat, domiddlePark and maybe go down So. Park to the closer. Just to cry if nothing else. I didn't what to bring this up before, but with our small group it would be killer.


But not something we have to do, I can live with out it. You know once you are up at Roger's pass you are looking at almost the same kind of area that the people who named DV saw as they named it. But thats OK,we'll stick with our plane we had.





KF6YSB

[JackSilb]

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SteveS said...
(we could have a campfire)Huh, I guess we need to ask people to bring some wood.
-JACK



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[GoodTimes]

Uh-oh. There goes Steve throwing wrenches in the plan....just when I was getting the plan memorized too!http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


I don't have a problem with changes, but where is that going to leave us Monday morning? I have not talked to the "other guy" yet, so we have no definate plans for a meeting spot/time. I also don't have a map here to look at....it sounds like he is leaving home Sunday evening, and has about a 7 hour drive. My initial thought was to meet him in PS monday around 8:00am. That would get us back to camp (hopefully) by the time everyone got things packed up and were ready to move out.I guess I'll have to wait until I get home tonight and take a look at the map......

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[YukonBob]

Are the wild flowers dead or just got forgotten? http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/cry.gif

[JackSilb]

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Bob said...
Are the wild flowers dead or just got forgotten?


What? That is one of the goals for the trip. We will see them as we drive to the spots selected by our trip leaders. We will not just drive to see some. Right? Now I am not sure I am making this all confused. Just need to have some fun.

-JACK
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Last Edited : 4/8/2003 9:51:43 PM GMT

[GoodTimes]

Ok, we are back with Plan A. You know, the plan we had before Steve started mucking things up . (j/k Steve--http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/lol.gif )


I need to be in Panamint Springs to meet the new guy at 8:00 Monday morning.


But, as I mentioned several pages ago, the route is not set in stone until we are already there. So, what that means, is that if we are running ahead of schedule, and have time, we could possibly still go for a drive up Pleasent Canyon instead of Darwin Falls on Sunday afternoon, if that is what we decide we want to do. I simply need to be back down far enough that I can get to PS monday morning.


So am I the only one who keeps trying to think of excuses to get off of work early tomorrow, and get a jump start on this trip?http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/hop.gif

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[WhiteThaiGer]

[quote]
GoodTimes said...

So am I the only one who keeps trying to think of excuses to get off of work early tomorrow, and get jump start on this trip?http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/hop.gif
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[quote]Everybody is probably trying to think of excuses...
[quote]At this point I actually don't know if we will make it at all http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/sad.gif . If we come we would most likely have to leave Sunday afternoon/evening, so it's not bad that the Plan takes the trip to the south-west end of the park.
[quote]Driving out Friday night and back Sunday night would be a double traffic nightmare...LA rush hour &amp; LV returns. http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/freaked.gif
[quote]The decision will be made sometime tomorrow http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/shocked.gif If that's too short notice for communication on the board, Steve got my cell phone number and I got his and Jack's.


Uwe

[MrS]

Thanks for the heads-up Uwe. We won't expect to see ya, so no need to phone. I'll have mine on, if you do make and have trouble along the road, give a call.


I've been following the old mili-bar charts the last few weeks and looks like we might get some weather in DV. ALLRIGHT, brings your slickers.

KF6YSB

[GoodTimes]

Steve, it looks like you are right. I haven't checked the weather in a few days, and it looks like Sat. will be beautiful, Sunday will start cooling off, Monday will rain, tuesday will rain, wednsday will rain.........that doesn't make my mid-week hiking adventures sound very appealing right now!

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[JackSilb]

Just for the records, Marcelo and I are still on.

I just spoke with Marcelo. He is leaving earlier than we planned. I will probably do that too. Friday night before a spring break week won't be very fun to drive...

Marcelo is packing already, and as he is very good on that he is changing the shocks absorbers too. I guess he has these shocks for year and never changed them until today.

-JACK

So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[Cecile]

Hey, guys have fun in Death Valley and try to give us a shout, as we will you. No repeater in D.V. that we know of, but we'll all be in on the same frequency so maybe we'll be in a spot where we can communicate.


We leave bright and early Saturday morning, to be in Jawbone Station at 8:00. We'll be with Robin,Al Walter, Joan &amp; Dick Farrar, and quite a few others that some of you know from our tours. I think we have 11 vehicles. Mojave Expedition on Saturday, overnight in Ridgecrest, then a bonus trip to either Mesquite Canyon or the West Rands. Then Roger and I head up to Cerro Gordo hoping to beat the storm that could possibly bring snow to us Sunday night. I'll be up there the whole week should anyone want to stop by and say hello. I'll be living in luxury this year, I've got the Belshaw House all to myself, which means I'll have a real bathroom!


Next Friday, the 18th, Roger &amp; Marty are going to drive up and spend the weekend at Cerro Gordo with me, then we'll all go home on Easter Sunday.We'll have lots of stories to tell when we get home!


I will have my laptop, but not sure I want to fiddle withconnecting it to the American Hotel phone so I can have internet connections like I did last year.If I do decide to hook it up, you mayget live reports about my adventure every day next week.


Good luck with the weather - at least you guys will probably have some warm weather this weekend. I'm expecting cold, and breezy at the very least, and I know I'm going to be freezing when I get to Cerro Gordo. I hear they still have patches of snow on the ground.

Cecile
Well behaved women rarely make history-
Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Real women shift into 4WD!

[JackSilb]

Hi Cecily,


Please tell Dick and the other folks to come and visit us in this Forum.
I have not seen these folks for a long time.


Have fun and write something goo while you are there.


thanks,
-JACK



So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

[GoodTimes]

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11 hours and counting......http://www.rxtx.com/4wdtrips/forum/emoticons/jumpin.gif </div>

olllllllo

KG6OWO

Price is soon forgotton, quality is not.

[Bighorn]

If I'm fast enough I may see you guys in DV on Monday, unless I'll stuck in snow up in the Sierras. Something to brighten up your trip:

Wildflowers in Death Valley - April 2003

By Charlie Callagan -NPS-

A sporadic bloom of desert wildflowers is beginning in the park. The bloom is very spotty with most flowers being just a few inches high.

Visitors can expect wildflowers along the Scotty's Castle Road, the Mud Canyon Road, and the southern end of the Badwater Road.

You will have to stop the car occasionally and get out for a closer look to appreciate the variety of small desert annuals that are now beginning to bloom. Backcountry users are reporting some wildflowers in Gold Valley (4-WD required), along the Cottonwood Canyon Road (4-WD required), and along the southern end of the Greenwater Valley Road (2-WD high clearance).

If you are driving to the park from southern California you should enjoy the wildflower displays alongside state highways 14, 58 and 178 as they will probably be better than what you will find in Death Valley.

Be sure to stop in and visit the demonstration wildflower garden in the patio of the Furnace Creek Visitor Center. It is in full bloom with many desert annuals labeled.

[JackSilb]

Hello,

I am back.
I am going to lock this Thread, move it to the Previous Trips, and start another Thread for the trip report.
Stay tuned.

-JACK
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So much to see, so little time. Try using your 4WD tosee and do more.
Tread Lightly! empowers generations to enjoy the outdoors responsibly...

Last Edited : 4/16/2003 5:31:07 PM GMT